[nos-bbs] MPS and Ping - good ideas from WL2K

Demetre SV1UY demetre.sv1uy at gmail.com
Mon Oct 21 17:27:55 EDT 2013

Hi Andre and group,

This is probably because they realise that WINMOR can only work when
HF conditions are very good without QSB, QRM, QRN and MULTIPATH
DISTORTION (i.e. in the laboratory) where WINMOR can work nearly as
fast as PACTOR 2, but it needs more than 3 times the bandwidth of

In the real HF world though WINMOR timesout and fails wherus PACTOR 2,
3 and 4 continue working. This is because HF is full of QRM, QSB, QRN
amd MULTIPATH DISTORTION. Heck even PACTOR 1 is more ROBUST than

The guys at WINLINK know this, even the authors of WINMOR know and
admit but not in public!

73 de Demetre SV1UY

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM, PE1RDW <andre at pe1rdw.demon.nl> wrote:
> It's even more limited, the forwarding can only be done using pactor 2 3 or
> 4.
> Most RMS that do have HF only got Winmor but no PACTOR
> It also only works with RMS Trimode leaving BPQ32 base RMS out as wel.
> 73 Andre PE1RDW
> op 21-10-13 22:34, Michael E. Fox - N6MEF schreef:
>> I always get a kick out of Winlink presentations.
>> They explain the need for Winlink as an EmComm option for when the
>> Internet
>> is down.
>> But Winlink is dependent on the Internet.  It's such a non-sequitur that
>> it's almost laughable.
>> When dependence on the internet is mentioned, they tout HF between RMSs.
>> To
>> do what?  To connect to another RMS that does have Internet!
>> But HF is slow, prone-to-noise, prone-to-propagation-issues (constantly
>> changing skip zones), and the antennas are impractical at many sites.
>> I'm not saying HF isn't useful.  But it's certainly not a substitute for
>> VHF/UHF links to other BBSs nearby.
>> I fail to see why they can't use VHF/UHF between RMS stations.  Truly
>> baffling.
>> In contrast, we have a network of JNOS systems.  They all talk to each
>> other
>> via VHF/UHF without the need for any Internet at all.  For years, they
>> never
>> had internet links.  Now they all do.  So now, when the Internet is
>> available, they all perform email gatewaying, as well as talk to any other
>> BBS on the planet via either the BBS network or AMPRnet.  We don't
>> currently
>> have any HF links, but we could add them if we saw a purpose for them.
>> Don't get me wrong.  I'm not against Winlink.  I just think it's a very
>> poor
>> choice for EmComm.  But, an RMS station is MUCH easier to set up than JNOS
>> and AMPRnet and forwarding and iptables and Postfix and SpamAssassin and
>> ...
>> etc., etc..  But it's also much more limited and as an EmComm system, it's
>> REALLY limited.  People interested in Winlink simply need to understand
>> what
>> it is:  last-mile radio connections to Internet email.  If that's what you
>> need, it is far easier system to set up and maintain.  But most RMSs don't
>> have HF capability.  So if your RMS *and* your intended recipient doesn't
>> have HF, then when the Internet is down, you're still out of luck.
>> Michael
>> N6MEF
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nos-bbs-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:nos-bbs-bounces at tapr.org] On Behalf
>> Of Bill Vodall
>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:08 AM
>> To: TAPR xNOS Mailing List
>> Subject: [nos-bbs] MPS and Ping - good ideas from WL2K
>> A couple interesting additions to WL2K.   The MPS (Mail Pickup
>> Stations) concept may similar to what Maiko was thinking about with
>> his new approach to global email handling.
>>    http://www.dtreg.com/Winlink_Radio_Network.pdf
>> Also the email /PING/ looks fun.
>> 73
>> Bill, WA7NWP
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73 de SV1UY
Demetre Ch. Valaris
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