[aprssig] Best format for a Repeater Item (350 bug)

Robert Bruninga bruninga at usna.edu
Thu Apr 25 15:26:57 EDT 2013

> I'm all for putting the frequency in the list (object name),
> but I sure don't see how it hurts to put it also in the comment

I guess my only reservation is that it wastes 10 bytes, it creates a spec
conflict with unknown results in radios that do follow the spec. For
example, the FREQ-spec says that if there is a freq in the text in
addition to the object name, that it is then an odd-split and the repeater
output is the object name and the input is the frequency in the text.  If
we make them the same then we cannot use this for anything but a simplex
repeater since the spec calls for an automatic offset on 2m which will be
canceled by having both freqs the same.

So if it breaks all the other radios, just to preserve a minor function on
the 350, Is my concern.

I know we beat this to death a year or so ago, and found that the dual
freq did work for the 350's but I do not remember if anyone tested to see
if it broke the OFFSET TUNE function of the D710's and D72...

> We just need to nail down a consistent, ... most broadly usable...
> and THEN start "encouraging" the correction, update, and rollout of the
frequency objects.

What we need is testing!
I just spent some time and what I learned so far is:

1) It cannot be an ITEM.  The D700's will not decode them.  It must be an

More permutations and testing still needed.

Bob, WB4aPR

My conclusion is that all FREQ objects should be done right so that the
packets appear correctly and serve their designed purpose on *all* radios
including all kenwood's and all Yaesu's.  The only loss is that the QSY
button on the FTM-350 will not work properly, though nothing prohibits the
operator from manually tuning to that frequency.

I prefer not to break the system to try to correct a bug in one radio that
is only an inconvenience when all other value of this function works fine
on all radios including this one.

Bob, Wb4aPR

-----Original Message-----
From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org] On Behalf
Of Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [aprssig] Best format for a Repeater Item (350 bug)

On 4/25/2013 8:20 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> Bob!  You forgot the most important part that was recently discovered!
>> The Yaesu FTM-350 REQUIRES the frequency at the beginning of the
> comment!
> All of the advantages of the FREQ objects come from them appearing in
> the STATION list on mobile radios.  It makes no sense to me to break
> that intentended system design due to a minor bug in the 350.
> Putting the FREQ in the OBJECT name as designed appears just fine and as
> intended in the 350 and the 350 can also sort them too.   So all of the
> original functionality of this FREQ system also works on the 350. The
> only thing the 350 won't do correctly is the QSY button.

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