[aprssig] Newbie Path Question

Rich Garcia k4gpsc at gmail.com
Sun May 17 08:57:52 EDT 2009

That makes much more sense Josh, I saw the post EARLY this AM but I was half
asleep and thought thats what it was. Apparently some home station was set
up nearby and they are using RELAY and they can reach the closer "anchor"
digi. So a path of RELAY,WIDE2-1 should work for you.

It's a bit old fashioned but if that is what you have to work with ain't got
much of a choice otherwise. You will find that is the case in many parts of
the country. It's not PERFECT but few things in life are and this is a
hobby, can't make a club or group EVERYWHERE there are hams to set up an
ideal digi system. Maybe someday if enough interest perks up then you will
have enough motovation to improve and make changes.


-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Smith [mailto:juicewvu at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:55 AM
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Newbie Path Question

I did some more playing around last night and this morning.  And it
appears as if there is a digi closer to me than the ones on the
aprs.fi map.  However it never ACK's anything unless I have relay in
the path, which I understand is obsoleted.  How can I find out the
call of this digi.  I would like to contact the owner and see if we
can get it reconfigured with non obsolete settings.

Josh Smith

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On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Keith VE7GDH <ve7gdh at rac.ca> wrote:
> Josh KD8HRX wrote...
>> I have changed this setting to relay,wide4-4 and things seem to be
>> working much better now. I'm not very confident in my understanding
>> of this setting but I believe that this means that my packet will be
>> digipeated by up to 4 digipeaters before it "expires". Could some one
>> tell me if my understanding is correct?
>> Also what is the difference between using wide and trace in the path
>> setting and which should I use for my normal operations?
> You have already received some good replies from Ron and John. It
> has unfortunate if there is still a digi in your area that responds to
> RELAY. It has been obsolete in North America for something like 4-5
> years now. If you did actually hit a digi that still responded to the
> obsolete RELAY, the four additional hops from WIDE4-4 would make a
> total of 5 hops which would be considered an overly long and abusive
> path in most locations. Read up on the ALOHA principal. You should try
> and keep your beacons within your own ALOHA circle. Any more than that
> is just creating QRM.
> Most places in North America, WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 will be the path to use.
> If you really need a longer path, try WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 but only if it is
> really needed. You can always use "state flooding" if you truly need to
> propagate something to greater distances than you normally need to go.
> Such a path would be referred to as SSn-N where "SS" is the two letter
> abbreviation for your state. It should be preceded by WIDE1-1 to make
> it traceable... e.g. WIDE1-1,SSn-N where again, the SS represents your
> state.
> Both the WIDEn-N and fill-in digis will respond to WIDE1-1, but if you
> are heard direct by a high WIDEn-N digi, that's great. In WIDEn-N, the
> "n" is the number of hops requested, and the "N" is how many hops remain
> or are as yet unused. The digis that respond to WIDE1-1 only are called
> "fill-in" digis. Their purpose is to help mobile stations make it to
> higher WIDEn-N digis usually in hilly terrain or in the "concrete
> jungle" in town. As each digipeater acts on your beacon, it inserts its
> own callsign to make it traceable. The "N" is decremented when it goes
> through the digi. When it reaches zero, the "N" is used up and it won't
> be digipeated any further.
> Just remember that RELAY, WIDE, TRACE and TRACEn-N are
> obsolete in North America. If you are aware of a digi that responds
> to the obsolete RELAY, try and contact the operator and politely ask
> them to update their digi's settings. The replacement for RELAY is
> WIDE1-1.
> PS - you did the right thing in asking about your path! You can't be
> criticized in initially using RELAY as it is one of the default settings
> in the D7. While it is now obsolete at least in this continent, you can
> now update your settings knowing that you are using the recommended
> path for mobile stations.
> 73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
> --
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