[aprssig] Bob B statements

[Ryan Tourge]

Someone needs a little more bran in their diet...


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:42:56 -0500, carl szentes
<n9ibd.szentes at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I dont know all the background that preceded this string of these last two
> emails, however I agree with Bruninga about APRS as a tool.  Some times an 3
> inch engineers tool i.e.a 3 inch Crescent Wrench (R) is not long enough in
> loosening the rusty old nut..We then add an extension piece of pipe to give
> us the leverage
> 
> snuf said about who is right, lets keep fine tuning in the specific
> direction
> 
> Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: kk6rw at kk6rw.com <kk6rw at kk6rw.com>; aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Date: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Bob B statements
> 
> >>This is but an example of one of your ever increasing
> >>statements that causes people to gravitate away from
> >>APRS forums that you use to spew your arrogant
> >>and demeaning comments
> >
> >I'm sorry you see it as arrogance and demeaning, but
> >in Ham Radio, knowing and seeing the approximate relative
> >range of communications of stations and assets is
> >fundamental to being  able to communicate in the field.
> >PHG is fundamental to APRS.
> >
> >There is an order of magnitude difference in range between
> >a digi at 20 feet and one at 2000 feet.  Yet to UIview they
> >look identical on the map.  Just a little green star.
> >
> >APRS was based on the fundamental assumption  that users
> >would see that diffference on the map and then know what
> >path was needed for communications under varried conditions.
> >
> >>... now you complain about the other clients and users who
> >>aren't doing it your way.
> >
> >I'm not trying to get people to do it -my- way, I am a USER
> >of Ham Radio and I -need- to know radio range in just about
> >everything I do with APRS, which is trying to improve the
> >network, operate in the field, and operate mobile.  I cannot
> >make any sense out of the network if I cannot see its
> >topologyy and connecctivity and radio range.
> >
> >I welcomed UIview and worked with Roger on getting APRS
> >into UIview, and was excited about its prospects but then
> >found that the software had many shortcomings frustrating
> >my real communicatiosn needs.   But then my needs are
> >proabaly different than many users.  Mine are along these
> >lines:
> >
> >I do not use APRS on the internet, I like the radio side of
> >Ham Radio for local communications.
> >
> >I work with the RF network and need to see connectivity.
> >and radio range, where the holes are, where we have too
> >many digis, etc..
> >
> >I don't "use" APRS at home, I use it in the field for special
> >events and to provide  digital communications support to
> >other Ham Radio functions.  That need to be able to
> >efficiently and quickly communiate rapidly changing data.
> >
> >I use APRS in my mobile as my primary source of data
> >on what is going on around me in Ham Radio.
> >
> >I'm just a user like everyone else.  But APRS is not an end
> >in itself.  It is only a tool in support of communcatins needs.
> >I'm sorry that you take it badly, but when I find glaring
> >errors in software that prevents me from doing what I need
> >to do, I complain...
> >
> >Someone has to point out the shortcomings that
> >impact us today so that future authors don't make the same
> >significant omissions and just think of APRS as some
> >internet video game...   de WB4APR, Bob
> >
> >
> >PHG range knowledge is not going to make any newcomer or for that
> >matter,
> >anyone interested in APRS completely equipped to know of the workings of
> >the
> >APRS RF network, connectivity, loading or proper RF settings. There are
> >many
> >other factors than just PHG range.
> >
> >There was recently an add on to the APRS client you referred to in your
> >statement to display the ALOHA circle. This client stands well by itself
> >yet
> >also has been given the ability to have add ons written to enhance the
> >program.
> >
> >Educating the new users and current users is surely a better way to help
> >
> >those understand the network rather than your methods of demeaning and
> >proselytizing.
> >
> >>But since one of the most popular "APRS" clients doesn't
> >>even display PHG ranges to its users, we are ending up with
> >>a generation of APRS users who are blind to the APRS RF
> >>network, connectivity, loading and proper RF settings.
> >
> >>de Wb4APR, Bob
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Randy, KK6RW
> >
> >
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