[aprssig] Bob B statements

[carl szentes]

I dont know all the background that preceded this string of these last two
emails, however I agree with Bruninga about APRS as a tool.  Some times an 3
inch engineers tool i.e.a 3 inch Crescent Wrench (R) is not long enough in
loosening the rusty old nut..We then add an extension piece of pipe to give
us the leverage

snuf said about who is right, lets keep fine tuning in the specific
direction

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: kk6rw at kk6rw.com <kk6rw at kk6rw.com>; aprssig at lists.tapr.org
<aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Bob B statements


>>This is but an example of one of your ever increasing
>>statements that causes people to gravitate away from
>>APRS forums that you use to spew your arrogant
>>and demeaning comments
>
>I'm sorry you see it as arrogance and demeaning, but
>in Ham Radio, knowing and seeing the approximate relative
>range of communications of stations and assets is
>fundamental to being  able to communicate in the field.
>PHG is fundamental to APRS.
>
>There is an order of magnitude difference in range between
>a digi at 20 feet and one at 2000 feet.  Yet to UIview they
>look identical on the map.  Just a little green star.
>
>APRS was based on the fundamental assumption  that users
>would see that diffference on the map and then know what
>path was needed for communications under varried conditions.
>
>>... now you complain about the other clients and users who
>>aren't doing it your way.
>
>I'm not trying to get people to do it -my- way, I am a USER
>of Ham Radio and I -need- to know radio range in just about
>everything I do with APRS, which is trying to improve the
>network, operate in the field, and operate mobile.  I cannot
>make any sense out of the network if I cannot see its
>topologyy and connecctivity and radio range.
>
>I welcomed UIview and worked with Roger on getting APRS
>into UIview, and was excited about its prospects but then
>found that the software had many shortcomings frustrating
>my real communicatiosn needs.   But then my needs are
>proabaly different than many users.  Mine are along these
>lines:
>
>I do not use APRS on the internet, I like the radio side of
>Ham Radio for local communications.
>
>I work with the RF network and need to see connectivity.
>and radio range, where the holes are, where we have too
>many digis, etc..
>
>I don't "use" APRS at home, I use it in the field for special
>events and to provide  digital communications support to
>other Ham Radio functions.  That need to be able to
>efficiently and quickly communiate rapidly changing data.
>
>I use APRS in my mobile as my primary source of data
>on what is going on around me in Ham Radio.
>
>I'm just a user like everyone else.  But APRS is not an end
>in itself.  It is only a tool in support of communcatins needs.
>I'm sorry that you take it badly, but when I find glaring
>errors in software that prevents me from doing what I need
>to do, I complain...
>
>Someone has to point out the shortcomings that
>impact us today so that future authors don't make the same
>significant omissions and just think of APRS as some
>internet video game...   de WB4APR, Bob
>
>
>PHG range knowledge is not going to make any newcomer or for that
>matter,
>anyone interested in APRS completely equipped to know of the workings of
>the
>APRS RF network, connectivity, loading or proper RF settings. There are
>many
>other factors than just PHG range.
>
>There was recently an add on to the APRS client you referred to in your
>statement to display the ALOHA circle. This client stands well by itself
>yet
>also has been given the ability to have add ons written to enhance the
>program.
>
>Educating the new users and current users is surely a better way to help
>
>those understand the network rather than your methods of demeaning and
>proselytizing.
>
>>But since one of the most popular "APRS" clients doesn't
>>even display PHG ranges to its users, we are ending up with
>>a generation of APRS users who are blind to the APRS RF
>>network, connectivity, loading and proper RF settings.
>
>>de Wb4APR, Bob
>
>73,
>
>Randy, KK6RW
>
>
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