[TangerineSDR] [HamSCI] Ideas and Photos for American Meteorological Society Presentation?

Fri Jan 3 15:28:32 EST 2020

Thanks, Ward, Phil, and John,

Let me think on that for a bit and see how it can fit in.

Talk to you soon and 73,
Nathaniel W2NAF

From: HamSCI Google Group <hamsci at googlegroups.com> on behalf of Phil Erickson <phil.erickson at gmail.com>
Reply-To: HamSCI Google Group <hamsci at googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:51 PM
To: HamSCI Google Group <hamsci at googlegroups.com>
Cc: TangerineSDR Listserv <tangerinesdr at lists.tapr.org>
Subject: Re: [HamSCI] Ideas and Photos for American Meteorological Society Presentation?

Hi Ward,

  Just a cultural warning that we have to be a bit careful here:

I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF.  If there was a global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations - sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus.  (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their scoring cards...)

  Most would say "well, there is this thing called the International Reference Ionosphere (IRI); that can tell you everything you need to know about the ionosphere and you can calculate the F2 MUF, etc.".  Those on this list, e.g. Carl, know that reality is very different at times from a monthly mean type of climatology that forms the basis of IRI.  The global amateur radio data can get a unique and better view - but one doesn't want to touch off a "right vs. wrong" type discussion.  I've seen it happen before.

  What we could do instead is to say "IRI is fine.. for long term averages, as far as it goes - but we now have a new, empirically determined, way to capture some of the more short term space weather variability.  It complements IRI, not replaces it."  Just something to remember.

73
Phil W1PJE

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ward Silver <hwardsil at gmail.com<mailto:hwardsil at gmail.com>> wrote:
For advanced station capability photos and descriptions, I suggest you check with K5CM and the Time Nuts group - some of them have atomic clocks in their basements!

What I'd like to know more about space weather research is:
- what parameters beyond those we've considered would be useful and within the ability of amateurs to measure
- requirements for amateur-based measurements, realizing these might be looser than professional-quality but there would be more data
- can we get better real-time assessments of various point-to-point modes, such as path-specific F2 MUF, sporadic-E, chordal or ducted propagation

I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF.  If there was a global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations - sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus.  (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their scoring cards...)

73, Ward N0AX

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:35 PM Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D. <nathaniel.frissell at scranton.edu<mailto:nathaniel.frissell at scranton.edu>> wrote:
Hi guys,

I’m going to be giving a presentation at the AMS meeting in a couple of weeks and talking about Space Weather Operational Resources and Needs of the Amateur Radio Community. (https://ams.confex.com/ams/2020Annual/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/370904).

I have 2 requests:

  *   Do any of you have good photos of your station, building electronics, or that would otherwise show the amateur radio community in a positive light to the professional research community?
  *   Are there any specific operation needs the that the amateur radio community has from the space weather community?

Thank you!

73 de Nathaniel W2NAF

--
Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell, Ph.D., W2NAF
HamSCI Lead
Assistant Professor
Department of Physics and Electrical Engineering
University of Scranton
(973) 787-4506

--
Please follow the HamSCI Community Participation Guidelines at http://hamsci.org/hamsci-community-participation-guidelines.
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "HamSCI" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hamsci+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com<mailto:hamsci+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hamsci/3BE06A2E-8795-4CB1-94F4-494285EBAA32%40scranton.edu<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hamsci/3BE06A2E-8795-4CB1-94F4-494285EBAA32%40scranton.edu?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
--
Please follow the HamSCI Community Participation Guidelines at http://hamsci.org/hamsci-community-participation-guidelines.
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "HamSCI" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hamsci+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com<mailto:hamsci+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hamsci/CAFr7d%3Do41cDRMC9exsMFE-jZjBBLc0iNYdWBbz2SUYVSbpnvrw%40mail.gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hamsci/CAFr7d%3Do41cDRMC9exsMFE-jZjBBLc0iNYdWBbz2SUYVSbpnvrw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.

--
----
Phil Erickson
phil.erickson at gmail.com<mailto:phil.erickson at gmail.com>
--
Please follow the HamSCI Community Participation Guidelines at http://hamsci.org/hamsci-community-participation-guidelines.
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "HamSCI" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hamsci+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com<mailto:hamsci+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hamsci/CAAZaqEuXXeSzR%3DbuO9RLd8epyOGmp%3DHUxj5K8_ZF%2BOvvBQ_mNQ%40mail.gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/hamsci/CAAZaqEuXXeSzR%3DbuO9RLd8epyOGmp%3DHUxj5K8_ZF%2BOvvBQ_mNQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.tapr.org/pipermail/tangerinesdr_lists.tapr.org/attachments/20200103/46ac3ffb/attachment-0001.html>