[nos-bbs] New 2.0j.3 Winlink smtp feature

[Gustavo Ponza]

Michael,

On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 08:59 -0700, Michael E. Fox - N6MEF wrote:
> Gus, 
> 
> I think I understand the point you're trying to make.  But, if so, it is simply false.
> 
> 1)  Winlink has no ability to place address format "requirements" on JNOS or any other SMTP MTA.  SMTP address formats are defined by IETF RFC, not the Winlink organization.
> 2)  Sending a message from an SMTP MTA addressed to "callsign at winlink.org" works just fine.
> 3)  Sending a message from an SMTP MTA addressed to "smtp:callsign at winlink.org" fails because "smtp:callsign at winlink.org" is not a valid SMTP address.


Nope! the 'SMTP:' is required to send to *commercial emails* and
NOT for 'winlink.org' addresses (read hamradio callsigns)...

Perhaps I'll be not so skilled on english language but I wrote as an
example my commercial address i.e. g.ponza at tin.it (which require the
'SMTP:' prefix on the 'To:' address field... and not in the 'Subject:'
field as already read in other email).

If the above isn't fully clear, I don't further insist.

73, gus i0ojj


> So saying we "have to use it" (i.e. that JNOS has to add "smtp:" before Winlink addresses) is simply false.  And because Winlink is not the IETF, it will always be false.
> 
> The "smtp:" prefix *may* be used by Winlink clients to designate that the email goes out to the SMTP world.  But, again, that's is for messges from Winlink *TO* SMTP, as the prefix suggests.  JNOS is the REVERSE direction:  from SMTP, *TO* Winlink.  So even if JNOS needs some way to initiate a different set of handling rules when sending to Winlink, the prefix "smtp:" would not be right.
> 
> But even Winlink doesn't "require" the use of the "smtp:" prefix.  I sent messages using Outpost connected to the CMS with telnet and they worked with and without the "smtp:" prefix.  So, it's evidently not even a requirement for Winlink clients!
> 
> Winlink DOES impose a subject line restriction (must start with "//WL2K") but that has nothing to do with the address.
> 
> Perhaps to move this forward, I'll ask this question:
> What EXACTLY does JNOS do differently if I address a message as "smtp:user at domain" vs. just "user at domain"?
> 
> Michael
> N6MEF
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nos-bbs-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:nos-bbs-bounces at tapr.org] On Behalf Of Gustavo Ponza
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:48 AM
> To: TAPR xNOS Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nos-bbs] New 2.0j.3 Winlink smtp feature
> 
> Michael,
> 
> > Gus,
> > 
> > You are incorrect (and also rude).  We don't know each other and you have no idea what I know or don't know.
> 
> my intention was far to be offending or for any other odd purposes.
> 
> However, the 'SMTP:' prefix *is not* an invention for JNOS2 but it is a strict *requirement* of the WinLink 2000 project, so, since (thanks to Maiko) the JNOS2 become, with version 2.0j.3, *fully
> compliant* to WL2K we *have to use it* with no exception.
> 
> To summarize: the actual JNOS2 features on the WL2K environment are:
> 
> sending and receiving emails (inbound and outbound) 'to' and 'from'
> <callsign at winlink.org>  (i.e. i0ojj at winlink.org)
> 
> or 
> 
> sending and receiving emails (inbound and outbound) 'to' and 'from'
> any commercial email addresses; i.e. to send an email to me, just type on the address:
> 
> SMTP:g.ponza at tin.it
> 
> on the the contrary: if you send an email from your commercial address to my WL2K address just type on your mailer:
> 
> i0ojj at winlink.org
> 
> and, on the subject put the prefix '//WL2K' as:
> 
> //WL2K this is my email subject...
> 
> 
> that's all
> 
> 73, gus i0ojj
> 
> 
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