[aprssig] YAAC + Direwolf configuration puzzle...

Tue Apr 16 17:48:16 EDT 2019

While waiting for my request to join the Yahoo group to get approved, a
quick update.  Any help would be appreciated.

I've moved all the packet processing (digi and igate) from Direwolf to
YAAC, and changed from the AGW port to KISS in Direwolf to keep it from
interfering in the flow of packets.  YAAC is working via the RF path for
both digipeating and messaging.  Yay!

But, the Internet side is busted.  Nearby objects on the IS are finally
now populated on the screen, after I disabled writing to IS.  They
weren't seen before doing that.  Turning it back on, however, didn't
change anything, and aprs.fi has no record of the station (KO6TH-3). 
While messages directed specifically to YAAC from an IS client are
received and displayed, replies go out the RF path instead of IS. 
Disabling the RF path results in the replies going nowhere.

I've verified multiple times that I have the correct IS passcode
entered.  What am I missing?

I'm running the latest version, 1.0-Beta135 ( 28-Feb-2019) on a
Raspberry Pi 2B.

Greg  KO6TH

Greg D wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Thanks for the help.  I chose to post here, vs the product-specific
> lists, to first get a recommendation on what functions to put in what
> product.  Is YAAC a better choice for the Digipeater and/or iGate
> functions, or should those be in Direwolf?  How should I approach this?
>
> As far as I know, I should only have Direwolf acting as a TNC, with
> everything else being in YAAC.  The use of a different SSID was done on
> purpose as a diagnostic indicator, which sounds like a good decision. 
> It's clearly being seen on RF when it apparently shouldn't be.  I'm
> positive that Direwolf isn't doing the iGating, since I did not give it
> my APRSIS code.
>
> So, perhaps I should try turning off all that stuff in YAAC and just let
> Direwolf do its thing?  The way I have things configured, I start
> Direwolf in background, then run YAAC, via a script.  The script kills
> off Direwolf when YAAC exits.
>
> Oh, also what is the algorithm this combo would use to erase something
> from the YAAC screen?  I see stations pop up (as they should), and then
> disappear some few minutes later.  I thought they should stick around
> for 2 hrs (per the config).
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> spam8mybrain wrote:
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Sounds like you may have duplicate setups between DireWolf and YAAC.
>>
>> For example, you really don't need to have both DireWolf and YAAC
>> beaconing (one of them doing that job is sufficient), and they
>> shouldn't have different SSID values since they are part of the same
>> station.
>>
>> One reason you might not be able to send text messages from YAAC is
>> that you haven't enabled your YAAC-to-DireWolf port (or APRS-IS port)
>> for transmit in YAAC. YAAC is smart enough not to enable features that
>> won't work in the present context (i.e., can't compose outgoing text
>> messages if there is no port enabled to send them). Also note that the
>> Messages table view only displays incoming traffic. To send one,
>> either right-click on the appropriate message and select Send Message
>> to reply to the originating station, or just type it in at the bottom
>> of the map window. Or you can select the Chat choice, which creates an
>> IM-like window that only displays the incoming and outgoing messages
>> for one conversation with a single remote station. 
>>
>> The echoback is typical behavior for Kenwood radios when it sees a
>> digipeater retransmit the Kenwood's recent transmission. But note that
>> you said -4 was the digipeater. That's the SSID you assigned to
>> DireWolf, not to YAAC, so that says that DireWolf did the digipeating.
>> Again, don't have DireWolf and YAAC do things in duplicate (like
>> beaconing, digipeating, or I-gating); only one of them should perform
>> those functions, or you will be very confused when you tweak the
>> settings in one app and nothing changes because the other app is doing
>> that feature.
>>
>> Re: failure to connect to APRS-IS if Internet service is out: well,
>> yeah, I didn't want you to blindly think it was working when it
>> wasn't. If you have a successful connection and it fails, you have up
>> to 50 minutes to recover; YAAC will try up to 100 times to reconnect
>> to APRS-IS,  waiting 30 seconds before the next consecutive retry. 
>>
>> Are you saying you want this same behavior at initial startup, too? Or
>> an even larger maximum retry count?
>>
>> Note that there are mailing lists for both DireWolf and YAAC that you
>> can visit for product-specific advice. YAAC's list is the somewhat
>> misnamed yaac-alpha-testers at yahoogroups.com list (since YAAC has been
>> past alpha test for almost 7 years now).
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Andrew, KA2DDO
>> author of YAAC
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com>
>> Date: 4/15/19 01:13 (GMT-05:00)
>> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
>> Subject: [aprssig] YAAC + Direwolf configuration puzzle...
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm putting the finishing touches on my Raspberry Pi-based mobile APRS
>> station (aka my CarPi), and have most of it working.  But one little
>> detail has me stumped.  Well, at least one detail.  Bottom line, I think
>> I'm confused :).
>>
>> I am running Direwolf as the TNC, with YAAC as the client on top.
>> Direwolf is intended to be just the TNC, I think, with YAAC controlling
>> stuff.  I configured Direwolf with an SSID of -4, and YAAC as -9.
>> YAAC's configuration has both RF -> IS and IS -> RF enabled, as well as
>> its digipeating for Wide1-1.
>>
>> After first beaconing my position, I can send a message from my D74 HT
>> (-7) to -9 and it pops up on the car's screen.  Yay!  Haven't figured
>> out how to send a reply back, however, as that text window can't be
>> typed on.  Odd.
>>
>> But the puzzle for this post is the following.  I can also send a
>> message from the D74 to my APRSIS32 instance (internet-connected, no
>> RF), and I do see it gets iGated by the Pi, and shows up on the PC as
>> from -7.  But a reply doesn't get back to the D74.  Also odd, the D74
>> sees its own message echoed back by -4, which I'm thinking is just the
>> Digipeater function in YAAC being enabled, but it's odd that the D74
>> would react that way.
>>
>> So, as I said, I think I'm not groking the overall setup right, in terms
>> of what roles to assign to YAAC and Direwolf, and how that should be
>> reflected in their configurations.  There appears to be a lot of overlap
>> in terms of capability - iGating, Digipeating, etc.  How should I
>> approach this?  Maybe push more responsibility to Direwolf and less to
>> YAAC?  Or ?
>>
>> I do notice that if YAAC is started before the Hotspot is live, or if
>> the network goes down for more than a few moments afterward, YAAC
>> disables the IS connection, asks if I want to keep it (yes, I do), but
>> doesn't re-try later.  Very annoying.  I either have to restart the
>> program, or manually re-enable the port.  Is there not an option to do a
>> retry?  How does Direwolf's iGate function handle this?  Internet access
>> will be spotty at times, as is the RF environment.
>>
>> My intent is to have the station configured for a couple of uses.  One,
>> I want to have the CarPi be able to show a map with my station and those
>> around me on my dash screen (patched in to where the backup camera
>> goes).  I also want to have my position posted periodically to the APRS
>> network at large, either over RF or Internet (via a hotspot in the
>> car).  And I want to be able to park the car somewhere and have the
>> radio be able to act as a digipeater and iGate, for use during community
>> events or possibly emergency situations.  Messaging from/to the CarPi
>> should also work, via a small Bluetooth keyboard (but obviously not
>> while driving!).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Greg  KO6TH
>>
>>
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