[aprssig] OT:: Jeep and Radio

Nagi Punyamurthula n0agi at n0agi.com
Tue Sep 15 12:32:42 EDT 2015

Given that I will be taking down/up my hard/top at least a few times over the calendar year, I will need to make this as loosely decoupled as possible.  I will explore the driver side route as an option. Another option was to explore roof rack which I will be installing eventually that would get sufficient grounding to the main skeletal structure. But, this is much of a longer plan

I will share pics and a video when completed

Thanks all for your input and ideas


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From: David Rush via aprssig<mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>
Sent: ‎9/‎15/‎2015 7:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [aprssig] OT:: Jeep and Radio

You could probably get away with a roof mount if you provide a
counterpoise, such as some foil tape on the inside of the fiberglass
roof.  I've heard of that done for fiberglass ambulance roofs.

73, David, ky7dr

On 2015-09-14 12:56, Nagi Punyamurthula via aprssig wrote:
> Thanks for the notes below.
> I was planning on machining a wider hole for the pl-259 should the stock port is too small.  Looks like I will be exploring the wider hole on this bracket.  On the note of the "blockade" for a circular pattern.  I was thinking thru that hurdle.  I will give the behind the spare wheel route a shot and want to see the performance before I drilled holes on my jeep's hood area or the side metal panel  (the roof is fiber glass - so that is not an option as you note below).
> Nagi
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> From: Stephen H. Smith [mailto:wa8lmf2 at aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 2:43 PM
> To: Nagi Punyamurthula <n0agi at n0agi.com>; TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] OT:: Jeep and Radio
> On 9/12/2015 11:32 AM, Nagi Punyamurthula via aprssig wrote:
>> Team
>> I had recently acquired a Jeep and exploring installing my Kenwood
>> d710g in it.  Mstly for APRS and voice repeaters on 2m/70cm
>> Wanted to see if folks here have any jeep install pictures you might
>> be able to share for ideas.
>> The bracket I'm zoning in on is at extremeterrain website
>> http://www.extremeterrain.com/rugged-ridge-cb-antenna-jk-1150389.html
>> While this is meant for CB, I think it can be made to work for 259s
> Most CB antennas use HF-antenna-style 3/8"-24 threaded studs for mounting; not
> PL-259- or NMO-style mounts like most VHF/UHF antennas.
> It would appear (judging from the not-very-clear pictures on the site you
> linked) that this bracket is intended for a fitting that has a 3/8-24 inside-threaded "hole" to accept the male-studded whip on one end, and a 3/16"
> or 1/" inch hole to accept a matching short screw and ring terminal (from the coax center conductor) on the other.  The entire fitting is "RF hot". It is mounted through the hole in the bracket with sandwiched nylon shoulder washers to keep it from touching the vehicle body/ground.
> To use it with VHF/UHF antennas, you would have to acquire a 2M/70CM antenna with a PC-259 base (not the more common NMO).  Then you would have insert a
> PL-259 female-to-female "barrel plug" (i.e. coax-to-coax "splicer") through the hole in the bracket. You would screw the antenna to the top end of the barrel plug and a coax line with a PL-259 plug to the bottom end.  Make sure your barrel plug comes with a pair of hex nuts around it's outer circumference -- not all do.
> However, since a barrel plug has a 5/8" outside diameter while the normal hole for a shoulder-washer insulator mount is only 1/2", you would have to drill or ream the hole in the bracket to enlarge it.
> Even after all this, you will get a lousy lop-sided radiation pattern since about half of the VHF/UHF whip's height will be blocked by the vehicle body, and the spare tire.  In the forward and backwards directions, you will have far
> less radiation than off the sides or backwards.     (The much taller CB whip
> has most of it's length above the roof.) Signals from the sides that were usable initially will take a 10-15 dB dive when you make a right-angle turn, so that the front or rear of the vehicle are now facing them.
> To get a reasonably circular antenna pattern (i.e. same coverage in all directions), the vast majority of the antennas's length MUST be ABOVE the roof line.
> The best location will be a permanent or magnetic mount in the center of the roof.  If the roof is non-metallic (i.e. fiberglas), you will need to use a no-ground-plane-required  end-fed  half-wave  design like the Diamond 770
> series.    (The much more common 1/4-wave or 5/8ths-wave-type antennas MUST
> have a substantial horizontal metallic surface underneath them to work properly.)
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