[aprssig] APRS Voice links?

Kristoff Bonne kristoff.bonne at skypro.be
Tue May 21 16:10:17 EDT 2013

Hi Robert,

Perhaps it is me but I am a bit lost here.

What exactly is the goal of avrs?
Is it like Jingle/XMPP, a signaling protocol for voice communication, 
running on top of (in this case) APRS?

Or am I missing something here?

kristoff - ON1ARF

On 20-05-13 15:16, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> Mike,
> You might want to read the http://aprs..org/avrs.html
> <http://aprs.org/avrs.html> page.  It really has nothing to do with
> adding voice over APRS.  It has to do with organizing amateur radio
> voice systems so that the interactive front panel of the APRS radio
> which has global callsign-to-callsign connectivity may be used to
> –setup- a callsign-to-callsign voice connection with the only knowledge
> needed by the caller or callee is a callsign.  Hope that helps.  Bob, WB4APR
> *From:*aprssig-bounces at tapr.org
> <mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org>
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org
> <mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Mike Goldweber
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:27 PM
> *To:* TAPR APRS Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [aprssig] APRS Voice links?
> At the risk of being a debbie downer, I would ask what is gained by
> adding voice to APRS?    On the internet side of the equation I do see
> the value of some value to his, and there probably isn't any real down
> side; but as Bob pointed out there is a number of ways to talk VoIP
> already.  Multitasking OS's give us the means to run several programs at
> once, letting someone do APRS-IS as well as Echolink and DStar all at once.
> On the radio side of APRS, I see the potential for problems. I believe
> adding voice data could potentially add a lot of data being sent, which
> could prevent the usual stream of data from moving properly. My interest
> in APRS came about from my involvement with emergency communications.
> Our area has well defined voice channels set up, but we only use a
> single channel for APRS.  The frequencies used for voice are organized
> in such a way to prevent problems with too much chatter.  Currently,
> there isn't a problem getting the APRS data, but adding voice to the mix
> could change that if everyone were to begin talking over the APRS channel.
> Frankly, given the amount of bandwidth devoted to voice over VHF, I
> don't see the advantage of having a voice-over-APRS.
> Best Regards,
> Mike Goldweber
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [aprssig] APRS Voice links?
>     From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu
>     <mailto:bruninga at usna.edu>>
>     Date: Sun, May 19, 2013 1:08 pm
>     To: aprssig at tapr.org
>     <mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>
>     Cc: aprs at yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:aprs at yahoogroups.com>
>     At Dayton there was a lot of excitement about FREE Digital Voice
>     (FreeDV)
>     Although it is currently being applied to robust HF communications
>     at about 1200 baud in a 3 KHz channel, the basic Vocoder  works at
>     about 1000 baud or as low as 800 bits if the data stream is error
>     protected. (Ie inside an AX.25 connected packet).
>     At the risk of exposing my ignorance, I wonder how close we could
>     get to relaying the raw Vocoder over an AX.25 link using our
>     existing 9600 baud modems built into the Kenwoods?   Even with the
>     slow TXD delays (500 ms!) in Kenwood 9600 baud modems, a
>     conversation could be continuous if the radio was transmitting this
>     information at 9600 baud in packets once a second maybe...
>     This would give experimenters a chance to see what we can do with
>     Digital Voice using existing AX.25 links.
>     I have no idea what a network would look like, but if IGates could
>     receive these 9600 baud connections, then it would seem like we
>     could cobble together some kind of A-STAR system where we use the
>     frton panel controls and APRS to set up who we want to talk to and
>     then the IGates link us  between any two hams anywhewre on the
>     planet along with their APRS traffic.
>     Anyway, a whole new exciting area to think about.  Remember, it has
>     always been my goal to have callsign-to-callsign voice contact
>     (using APRS connectivity to set up the call).  At first I thought
>     IRLP, then Echolink, then ALL-STARR would be the answere.  Then
>     D-star actally is now doing it, and we still have not gotten
>     organized to simply take what we have and do it too.  See
>     _http://aprs.org/avrs.html_
>     Maybe this new FreeDV can serve as a spark for some new thinking…
>     Bob, Wb4APR
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