[aprssig] TAPR Dayton Solar Talk

Earl Needham earl.kd5xb at gmail.com
Wed Jun 1 22:50:17 EDT 2011

And when Congress has mandated that you can no longer buy incandenscents
you're stuck with an inferior product.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Rich Mulvey <aprs at mulveyfamily.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Brian B. Riley <brianbr at mac.com> wrote:
> >  I keep hearing both these complaints and in 22 years off grid, and I
> haven't seen it.
> >
> > I have CFLs that are 20 years old (back then they cost $30-35 a piece!)
> that still work. The newer ones that you can now buy for $1-2 each seem to
> last me 5+ years. I have 57 CFL bulbs in active use and in the last 5 years
> I have had exactly 2 fail and both were over 2 years old.
> >
> > If yours are going in a month then you need to ask yourself "why?"
> >
>   Unfortunately, it's not like you can just swap out your local
> electrical grid and house wiring to isolate an issue.
>   In our case, we have no issues with any other electronics in the
> house.  In fact, since I telecommute, we have several UPS's all over
> the house that set up a racket during the extraordinarily rare
> occasions when we have power issues like under/overvoltage.  We have a
> ton of electronics that are sensitive to power conditions.  But it's
> the bulbs that die prematurely.
>  Our CFL's, purchased at a variety of local hardware, department,
> etc. stores, and compromising a variety of brands, don't outlast
> incandenscents, and they DEFINITELY  don't last anywhere remotely near
> 5 years.  Discussions with other people in the same neighborhood, as
> well as on the net, indicate that this is pretty common.
>  So when the ONLY devices having problems are the CFL's, and they're
> sourced from multiple places, where exactly does one go from there?
> It's all well and fine to assert that they're supposed to be reliable
> and long-lasting, but, well, in my and many other's experience, they
> aren't.
> > Think about it ..... could they really keep selling these bulbs if they
> had that little life expectancy. They'd be out of business in a year or
> less.
> >
>   I disagree.  I can think of a whole lot of electronics
> manufacturers that have sold crap for years but are still in business,
> especially ones that rely on frequent replacements.  :-)
> - Rich
> --
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