[aprssig] Status text & related frustrations

Steve Noskowicz noskosteve at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 22 16:57:04 EDT 2008

Thanks, Phillip.    I understand some areas even in the states haven't embraced n-N.  

However, the REALY vs. n-N was just an example.

It is a bit different from what I want raise awareness of and that is inconsistent use of terminology and the problem of several names for the same thing.  I know some of this is Client software driven [UI view's use may be different than the D700 etc.]

73, Steve, K9DCI

--- On Tue, 7/22/08, Phillip <zl2tze at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> From: Phillip <zl2tze at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [aprssig] Status text & related frustrations
> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 3:09 PM
> Hi Steve,
>                   This is a global problem due to the APRS
> spec change a few
> years back, some countries stayed with the old and some
> moved 
> with the New paradigm n-N and some mixed both together !!!
> The only real fix I believe since the APRS spec now no
> longer supports the
> old paradigm is to encode all NEW Trackers and Programs
> with the New
> Paradigm n-N 
> If the major Kit producers said enough is enough and only
> allowed the new
> paradigm in their firmware as of now this would help.
> This should have been thought out back when the new
> paradigm was moved, but
> then who would have thought that so many would not change..
> Yes again having all the old paradigm stored on websites
> doesn't help the
> cause either and  website cleansing needs to be done by
> many site owners
> around the world to reflect what is current and day to day
> use not yesterday
> etc ..
> 73 Phillip
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Steve Noskowicz <noskosteve at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Status text & related
> frustrations
> ARggggg!   Just an observation...P L E A S E done try to
> explain why it's
> this way.
>   While I'm understanding more of the reasoning and
> background of some of
> the APRS parameters and practices... this is,
> unfortunately, I believe, one
> of the reasons APRS is not for the faint of heart and
> probably having
> difficulty picking up momentum.  Shoe-horning various
> things into other
> frame slots (I understand the benefit) and mixed
> terminology, such as:
> Then: UI, Unnumbered, Unproto
> I know it is not intentional, but various explanations
> don't stick to a
> rigid terminology (or provide a magic decoder ring).  It
> may be the way we
> talk, but its darn near impossible to get the proper
> understanding when
> reading stuff on the web.   [ Not to pick intentional, but
> MANY pretty  good
> PowerPoints still have RELAY,WIDE in them.  Web pages
> REQUIRE upKeep - I
> know it's work.
> AND, yea, I know, if I was an old Packet operator, this
> would all fall into
> place, but I'm not AND I don't believe I need to
> be.  I'm not an idiot, I'm
> just not familiar with the long standing, relaxed, way of
> talking.
> Short form: We need the proverbial Cliff's Notes. 
> There's still a lot of
> tutorials out there with RELAY,WIDE in them!  hint, hint,
> wink, wink,  nudge
>  nudge.
> Just the other day I, for the first time, had my D700 in
> Packet mode and I
> was just watching packets on a dumb terminal.  It looked
> like KA9LDD-2 has
> RELAY last... Yikes, check out his raw packets!  Either
> he's really confused
> or trying to be difficult. I sent him a note...we'll
> see.
> --
> 73, Steve, K9DCI
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