[aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm
Robert Bruninga
bruninga at usna.edu
Wed Sep 20 21:23:28 EDT 2006
Wow, do I feel dumb...
I thought the final New-EU paradigm we eneded up with last time
was for TRACEn-N. Boy was I surprised when I just checked and
found my New-EU-Paradigm WEB page was recommending WIDEn-N
eventually. I'm floored. I don't know what to say. I'll just
butt out until the powers that be in Europe tell me which way
they want to go.
All I want is for there to be a common and consistent system in
Europe to simplify APRS for everyone. But WIDE and TRACE (and
possibly RELAY are obsolete) and what ever they decide for an
n-N system, it must be traceable.
But if I was to kibitz, it would be WIDE1-1,WIDEn-N or the
easier way out is to use WIDE1-1,TRACEn-N and that way let their
system support BOTH, while also getting rid of the obsolete
RELAY, WIDE and TRACE paths while providing full traceability
AND the provision for WIDE1-1 to replace RELAY... And then
encourge everyone to use TRACEn-N or WIDE1-1,TRACEn-N if they
need a supporting first hop.
Bob, WB4APR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:20 PM
> To: 'Cap Pennell'; 'TAPR APRS Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm
>
> For Europe:
> > Well fine, but then it wouldn't hurt to
> > _start_ making WIDEn-N traceable too, and
> > going forward encourage users to use WIDEn-N.
> > And that way eventually (painlessly) phase out
> > TRACEn-N and RELAY as in North America...
>
> | Ah, but that is the -big- problem and why there
> | are no easy answers. Most digipeaters in
> | Europe are just UIview and Uiview just like
> | the KPC3 over here, only traces on one callsign
> | So there is no easy transition.
> |
> | Let me make it clear why I have accepted the
> | compromised solution:
> |
> | 1) In the USA, all it takes is changing the DIGIS,
> | and ALL THE DIGIS had to be changed anyway... So
> | it was easy to swap WIDEn-N in place of TRACEn-N
> | in all digis. And many DIGI systems are owned
> | operated by a few sysops.
> |
> | 2) In Europe, there are few central HIGH digis.
> | Most digis are just HOME stations. Thus, to replace
> | TRACEn-N in every such home station Uiview with
> | WIDEn-N traceability simply would never happen.
> | Just like moving a mountain.
> |
> | So I agree, it would be nice if they all changed,
> | but I realized it simply would never happen, so
> | it is better for APRS to WORK well in Europe
> | *now* than to hope that everyone would change and
> | some day in the far distant future they would
> | all be WIDEn-N.
> |
> | Hope that helps.
> |Bob, WB4APR
>
> > > | Actually Andy has an EXCELLENT point. The Europeans
> > > | don't have to really do anything, leave their network
> > > | alone. It supports TRACEn-N and WIDEn-N. But they
> > > | should encourage everyone to use TRACEn-N since it is
> > > | traceable and WIDEn-N is not (over there).
> > > |
> > > | Then they can also phase out RELAY since WIDE1-1 also
> > > | works there....
> > >
> > > Bob, WB4APR
>
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