[aprssig] New-N Paradigm Works!

[Robert Bruninga]

One thing to remember about the New-N Paradigm was -not- the
idea that we would be able to build a perfect network and 
enforce filtering everywehere.    In fact the *main* focus
of the New-N paradigm was to SIMPLYIFY the APRS path mess
down to simply WIDEn-N and having done that, to then
*focus* on education.

Prior attempts at education were self defeating becasue of
all the options, and inconsistencies and different ways of
doing things everywhere.  The New-N was an attempt to
clean it all up so that education could then work and be more
well received.

So I would not waste a lot of time trying to fine tune the
large N-N trapping issue, but focus more on education
and mentoring....  and simplifying the network to New-N
everywhere...

Just a perspective...
Bob


>>> n0yxv at gihams.org 05/19/06 9:55 AM >>>
Hope I didn't come of sounding like I wanted to start a war. This is not the North vs. the South all over again. :-) I did mention that I haven't done a real complete investigation but so far _some_ of the KS statations _seem_ to be included. If you want to look at my data a little bit better I have it day by day at http://filter-1.gihams.org/. The "filter" only means that I've excluded several of our local stations from the log to make it easier to "grep" or search through. The "find" function on most browsers works well to find "wide7", "wide6"...etc. The log should reset itself each day so you only get a one day look at a time but you can make a copy of it over several days if you like. Log updates at the top of each hour with the current data of what I've seen in our area. I have about 7 days worth of data archived on the server if you'd like to look through several days I could send you some of those.

I'm not sure but if memory serves me correctly some of the WIDE7's are getting through because the first hop is passing them. Therefore the next station in the list which _is_ trapping WIDE7-7 is letting WIDE7-6 go through. Probably should of held of making comments until I've had a real good chance to look through them again. Working 50-60 hours a week can mess with your brain a little. :-D
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J T 
  To: TAPR APRS Mailing List 
  Cc: Brian Short 
  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [aprssig] New-N Paradigm Works!


  I'll echo John's comment: Can you identify the Kansas digi's that have bad configurations?  The K0SUN network is all upgraded (at least I think it is) but in most cases they are using KPC-3+ TNCs so they will stop WIDE7-7, 6-6, 5-5, and 4-4 if heard directly but won't stop anything with WIDE7-x that start in Texas.  I see that a few of the K0SUN-* stations have the paths in their own position report packets screwed up.  I'll let the appropriate people know.

  It appears that KC0PID-7 is not upgraded.  It's still using UIFLOOD instead of UITRACE for WIDE.

  -Jerome, W0JRT

  Stan - N0YXV <n0yxv at gihams.org> wrote:
    I haven't done a real study of packets in my area but from what I've seen
    you have a much larger success rate. While most of what I see in Nebraska is
    New-N a lot of the WIDE digis's south of me in Kansas, and Oklahoma are not.
    Small coverage Digi's are more likely to be New-N. I'm getting packets on a
    regualar basis from Texas that start WIDE7-7 or WIDE5-5. I've emailed
    several of them but I either get no responce, email bounced (because it's
    not correct on QRZ) or a lack of understanding of why Texas Packets in
    Nebraska aren't a good thing. Good news is that I haven't gotten any hate
    mail back. :-) Oh and by the way several of the Digi's (that I've seen) that
    have icon's claiming to be New-N Digi's simply aren't New-N.





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