[aprssig] Re: The best resolution of position from APRS

Andrew Rich vk4tec at tech-software.net
Wed Jan 4 04:10:28 EST 2006

So how do you equate a lat and lon change to distance ?

For example

07201.75W moves to
07201.76W how far phyiscally have I moved ?

07201.7502W moves to
07201.7503W how far phyiscally have I moved ?

Andrew Rich - VK4TEC
vk4tec at tech-software.net <mailto:vk4tec at tech-software.net>

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Subject: Re: [aprssig] Re: The best resolution of position from APRS

vk4tec at tech-software.net wrote:
> So try this
> Put your TNC into converse mode, you know when you hit enter it transmits.
> But instead hook up your GPS receiver.
> In theory every line of NMEA data has a return, so the TNC should just
> UNPROTO it out
> Quick and nasty APRS
This is exactly how the original APRS trackers worked 10 years or so
ago.  GPS receivers plugged into the serial ports of pre-APRS-aware
TNCs.   You had to slow down the NMEA reporting rate from the GPS and
turn off all but one NMEA sentence; else the TNC would try to beacon
multiple GPS strings every second.

The first generation of APRS-aware TNC firmware (TAPR Ver 1.1.9 for
TNC2s like MFJs and early Kantronics) provided for constantly updating
several beacon comment fields in the TNC by capturing specified GPS
strings at whatever repetition rate the GPS spewed out.   The TNC could
then be set to beacon these strings at reasonable rates with the usual
BEACON EVERY n commands.    Consequently, you could now use most GPS
receivers as-is in the default mode of multiple sentences output every

There is an APRS standard for these dumb NMEA trackers.  Set the
destination address to GPSxyz (instead of the customary APnnnn). The
three characters in positions x,y, and z determine the APRS symbol to be

The main disadvantage of the raw NMEA approach is wasted air time on
crowded channels.  The raw NMEA string is about 3 times as long as a
standard APRS format posit, and about 10 times as long as a Mic-E format
posit.    Besides wasting air time, the posit is less likely to get
received since the longer string is much more likely to be hit by a
mobile fade, noise, or get stepped on by another station.

Stephen H. Smith    wa8lmf (at) aol.com
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