[aprssig] N1547C tracker

[John K9IJ]

At 05:41 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote:
>Actually, cells phones *can* be used on aircraft in flight.
>They are specifically permitted at altitudes under 3,500
>(or was it 3,000?) ft.  You're confusing airline regulations
>with FAA and FCC regs.  The airlines, operating under IFR
>rules, can restrict whatever they deem potentially dangerous,
>regardless of whether it may be permitted by other regs.  And
>they all do prohibit cell phones.  It has a lot to do also with
>potential lost revenues from their own installed seat back phones.

Not true...

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/cellonplanes.html



>Now we're officially off topic!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John K9IJ" <k9ij at vx5.com>
>To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 14:21
>Subject: Re: [aprssig] N1547C tracker
>
>
> > At 01:57 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote:
> > >On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:37 PM, AE5PL Lists wrote:
> > >
> > >>I agree BUT having a tracker turned on and off by a non-licensed
> > >>person takes that tracker out of the realm of "automatic control"
> > >>as it is the non-licensed person who is controlling whether that
> > >>tracker transmits or not.  True, once turned on the tracker can be
> > >>considered under automatic control and therefore placing trackers
> > >>in vehicles where a ham is not present is legal IF the other
> > >>requirement in 97.109(d) can be met _and_ if unlicensed person(s)
> > >>do not control whether the tracker is turned on or not.  But when a
> > >>person specifically turns on a tracker, then they become the
> > >>control operator.
> > >
> > >I disagree completely. The FCC definition
> > >
> > >(6) Automatic control. The use of devices and procedures for
> > >control of a station when it is transmitting so that
> > >compliance with the FCC Rules is achieved without the
> > >control operator being present at a control point.
> > >
> > >makes it clear that automatic control hinges with the decision to
> > >transmit, not the decision to apply power to the transmit-decision-
> > >making CPU. Granted, if flipping the switch resulted in immediate and
> > >continuous transmission, then the power-flipper is the control
> > >operator. However, you know trackers do not work that way. The
> > >decision when to key the transmitter is made by the CPU, based on
> > >rules programmed by both the producer of the device and by the owner
> > >that entered the parameters to the tracker.
> > >
> > >Furthermore, "procedures" in the above section is not defined to
> > >exclude hams other than the control operator, non-amateur humans,
> > >moneys, or well trained gerbils. In the case of a tracker, 99.999% of
> > >the time you are depending on a CPU to make the decision to transmit
> > >correctly, but having a non-amateur backup is certainly not excluded
> > >from the rules.
> >
> > So, what if the 'procedure' is in it self illegal? In this case, it
> > is not legal to use a
> > cell phone from an aircraft in flight.
> >
> > Along with that, the only reason that APRS has been 'allowed' to continue
> > is that it has not been 'officially' brought to the attention of the
> > FCC. If that happens,
> > it's entirely likely that APRS will be declared not legal and we all
> > will suffer.
> >
> > It's 'skirting' the rules in something like this that's likely to
> > cause that 'official attention'
> > to be drawn.
> >
> > To gain some insight, read John Johnsons rules and regs article in
> > last months World
> > Radio News.
> >
> >
> > John - K9IJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -
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> > John Rice  K9IJ
> > k9ij at vx5.com
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> >
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John Rice  K9IJ
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