<div dir="ltr">Rob can take the GNU Radio block diagram used by the Grape 1 Digital RF configuration that Tom wrote, modify the LO (probably sample rate too) of the multiplicative mixer to produce an appropriate downmixed frequency of the carrier baseband. You can have one for all time stations. <div><br></div><div>The issue is that I am not aware of a way to get the multicast IQ slice stream into GNU radio unless you write it to files, then have GNU Radio process the files.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div><div>KC3EEY</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 12:23 AM Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D. via TangerineSDR <<a href="mailto:tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org">tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg2024017678527051223">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, Dave and Franco. This all looks good.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A brief update from me. We have a student, Rob Troy, who is tasked with working with the RX888 and the KA9Q software. Rob reports he now has the RX888/KA9Q up and running at Scranton.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rob’s next task is to make the RX888/KA9Q combination “emulate” the output of a Grape2. Stan Pozerski KD1LE currently has three Grape 1’s tied together all outputting their data into a single GNU Radio/DigitalRF stream. I believe this is
essentially what the Grape 2 will also be doing. I will be having Rob work with Stan Pozerski to get this same processing chain running with the RX888 instead of the Grape 1s.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Next week I will be on travel with a number of students to the NSF CEDAR conference in San Diego, CA. So, it is likely I will not be able to be on the Monday telecon next week.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> TangerineSDR <<a href="mailto:tangerinesdr-bounces@lists.tapr.org" target="_blank">tangerinesdr-bounces@lists.tapr.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Franco VENTURI via TangerineSDR<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 19, 2023 10:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Witten <<a href="mailto:wittend@wwrinc.com" target="_blank">wittend@wwrinc.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org" target="_blank">tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org</a>; Mr. Majid Mokhtari <<a href="mailto:majid.mokhtari@scranton.edu" target="_blank">majid.mokhtari@scranton.edu</a>>; Rob Robinett <<a href="mailto:rob@robinett.us" target="_blank">rob@robinett.us</a>>; Tom McDermott <<a href="mailto:tom.n5eg@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom.n5eg@gmail.com</a>>; John Ackermann <<a href="mailto:jra@febo.com" target="_blank">jra@febo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Franco VENTURI <<a href="mailto:fventuri@comcast.net" target="_blank">fventuri@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TangerineSDR] Weekly Status report<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">- regarding the maximum throughput achievable with the FX3 the best place to start IMHO is Cypress AN86947 (<a href="https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-AN86947_Optimizing_USB_3.0_Throughput_with_EZ-USB_FX3-ApplicationNotes-v05_00-EN.pdf?fileId=8ac78c8c7cdc391c017d073e3a2e6243" target="_blank">https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-AN86947_Optimizing_USB_3.0_Throughput_with_EZ-USB_FX3-ApplicationNotes-v05_00-EN.pdf?fileId=8ac78c8c7cdc391c017d073e3a2e6243</a>)
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in the FX3 firmware SDK file 'fx3_firmware_linux.tar.gz'), and on a couple of very useful application notes from Cypress/Infineon: AN65974 "Designing with the EZ-USB FX3 slave FIFO interface" (<a href="https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-AN65974_Designing_with_the_EZ-USB_FX3_Slave_FIFO_Interface-ApplicationNotes-v17_00-EN.pdf?fileId=8ac78c8c7cdc391c017d07396c095deb" target="_blank">https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-AN65974_Designing_with_the_EZ-USB_FX3_Slave_FIFO_Interface-ApplicationNotes-v17_00-EN.pdf?fileId=8ac78c8c7cdc391c017d07396c095deb</a>),
and the 'ping-pong' DMA buffers approach shown in AN75779 "How to implement an image sensor interface using EZ-USB FX3 in a USB Video Class (UVC) framework" (<a href="https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-AN75779_How_to_Implement_an_Image_Sensor_Interface_with_EZ-USB_FX3_in_a_USB_Video_Class_(UVC)_Framework-ApplicationNotes-v13_00-EN.pdf?fileId=8ac78c8c7cdc391c017d073ad2b85f0d)" target="_blank">https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-AN75779_How_to_Implement_an_Image_Sensor_Interface_with_EZ-USB_FX3_in_a_USB_Video_Class_(UVC)_Framework-ApplicationNotes-v13_00-EN.pdf?fileId=8ac78c8c7cdc391c017d073ad2b85f0d)</a>
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II state machine using the program 'GPIF II Designer' (that I think runs only on Windows), but we can definitely look at what Oscar did and follow his footsteps (I think the design of his GPIF II state machine is in his GitHub repository too, so we can use
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at those resolutions (can't find the link now); since the FX3 GPIF II works with 16/32 bits at a time, using a 14bit ADC would give us two extra bits for each sample: one could be used for the overflow bit, and the MSB for the PPS from the GPSDO, which I think
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