<div dir="ltr">Thanks Bob! I'll monitor that thread for ELVES events to see if I can find ELF tails.<div><br></div><div>I still owe you the vlfrx-tools startup script. Be mindful that the cameras don't generate any interference for the VLF receiver.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div><div>KC3EEY</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 10:36 AM Bob Stricklin via TangerineSDR <<a href="mailto:tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org">tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>The GMN cameras are excellent for recording these and you can get the time data needed.</div>
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<div>My VLF system with be sitting next to my cameras. </div>
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<div>This is an image captured by <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Damir Šegon in France
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<div>There has been additional discussion on this but it is a minor topic on GMN. The GMN cameras have good information on the exact location (especially if multiple cameras) and brightness of the light produced as well.</div>
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Sometimes lightning strokes produce what are called transient luminous events, or TLEs. They are commonly known as sprites and jets. Not much is known about them but they are continuously studied. Columns and regions of atmosphere are ionized so much by the
electric potentials caused by the lightning stroke that the air glows red. It’s present for a split second when the stroke occurs, so you need a quick eye and a camera to capture an image. Many enthusiasts who capture these beautiful events often use timed
video and photography and use lightning stroke data to identify the specific lightning stroke, it's channel current, and polarity. The "channel" is the conductive channel of ionized air where lightning current either flows upwards or downwards. VLF receivers
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An enthusiast and photographer, Paul, captured a double TLE, showing both a sprite (the dendritic structure) and an ELVE (the upper dim region of red glowing air above the sprite). ELVEs are often, but not always, indicative of what is called a "continuing
current", or a residual current flowing through the channel with ELF frequency components. </div>
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Using a VLF receiver connected to a soundcard and vlfrx-tools software, it is possible to look at the sferic's impulse in a time domain plot. A continuing current will often show up as an "ELF tail" right after the initial impulse. This tail has ELF frequency
components and is indicitive as that "little wavy line" after the sferic's impulse. The plot below show's the sferic from the stroke that created the TLE above. The ELF tail is hard to see because it has some high frequency components on it, but it is there.
Running the following signal processing chain in vlfrx-tools software produced the plot below:</div>
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The farther the VLF receiver is from the lightning stroke, the longer the ELF tail is. If this stroke occurred in Europe, it would be much longer, but it was captured in the US, closer to the VLF receiver. Here is another example of an ELVE captured by Paul:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing:border-box">In recording these millisecond events, it is essential to use precision timing, which is why I use a GPS receiver to enable accurate and precision timestamping. I used the signal processing chain above to
pull the spectrum data from the data store, filter out mains hum, resample to 32k to remove a lot of high frequency components, then feed the specific spectrum chunk into the plotting program.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing:border-box">With vlfrx-tools software and a network of VLF receivers, you can do lightning location as well. Here is a lightning map from a network of VLF receivers in India:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing:border-box">Eventually, I would like to have a network of VLF receivers collecting sferic data for lightning location.</div>
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