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    No, not Rz, just Z from runMag.  Started the temperature high above
    85C, ended at 27C.<br>
    <br>
    The space between T and Z has been suppressed in your copy below. 
    The first line is 27C, 50.9uT, the last line is 85C, 48.6uT.<br>
    <br>
    David N1HAC<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/3/20 11:34 PM, Julius Madey via
      TangerineSDR wrote:<br>
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      <font face="Arial">Dave, is 'raw data' the rz column from the
        latest runMag?  I assume you started the test at 85C and ended
        around perhaps 25C or close to that ??????<br>
        For Z axis on one of my two RM3100's I'm seeing around 
        -10nT/degreeC<br>
        Thanks,<br>
        Jules K2KGJ<br>
        <br>
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   2. Re: Mag update? (David G. McGaw)


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Notes from PSWS / TangerineSDR call of 08-02-2020

1. Still an open question about correlation of the Tangerine magnetometer
data with the instruments at Jenny Jump. Other measurements seem like the
Tangerine unit is basically working, so there are plans to re-try the
measurements at Jenny Jump but at a location closer to the existing science
grade fluxgate magnetometer. Given the very few working copies of Dave's
hand-built units, it's difficult to separate a possible problem with one
unit from a general problem. We agreed to make 10 prototype sets (20
extender boards + 10 PNI boards) using Scotty's artwork so we can have more
units in order to verify proper operation.

-- Tom, N5EG
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I did a quick and rough test of the magnetometer change vs temperature.? 
Here is my raw data.? I was measuring the Z-axis which here in NH is 
about 50 uT while changing the temperature, as measured by the T 
sensor.? I heated the unit up above 85C and then put it under a 
cardboard cover to slow down the cooling and equilibrate the 
temperature.? Here is my raw data:

T??????? Z-axis

2750.9 uT

3050.85

3550.77

4050.7

4550.7

5050.5

5550.4

6050.1

6549.9

7049.6

7549.2

8548.6


Noise was about .10 uT peak-peak.


David N1HAC



On 8/3/20 12:15 PM, Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D. via TangerineSDR wrote:
</pre>
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          <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">This all sounds very good. I?m eager to see the results.

73 de Nathaniel W2NAF

*From:* TangerineSDR <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tangerinesdr-bounces@lists.tapr.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><tangerinesdr-bounces@lists.tapr.org></a> *On Behalf 
Of *Julius Madey via TangerineSDR
*Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:57 AM
*To:* Kim, Hyomin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><hmkim@njit.edu></a>; TAPR TangerineSDR Modular Software 
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*Cc:* Julius Madey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hillfox@fairpoint.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><hillfox@fairpoint.net></a>
*Subject:* Re: [TangerineSDR] TangerineSDR Digest, Vol 16, Issue 
32_RM3100temperature effects

Great ! Out of direct sunlight and close to ground level would be best.

On 8/3/2020 11:28 AM, Kim, Hyomin wrote:

    This time, I will try to place the sensor as close as possible to
    the science magnetometer at Jenny Jump and insulate it to minimize
    the temperature effect if any.

    Gil (the site manager) and I will not be available until next week
    but will try to address this issue as soon as possible.

    Hyomin


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    On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:49 PM Julius Madey via TangerineSDR
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        That is the claim.? So either that's not the case, or perhaps
        it holds for levels in excess of a few hundred nT or something
        else is causing the variations that were observed at Jenny
        Jump and in my various tests.? It is probably not B fields
        very local to the adapter board, which sees currents in the
        10mA range.? Just did some tests with 100mA into a twisted
        pair of #31 magnet wire held near different parts of the
        RM3100 board.

        If the twisted pair was 0.5cm or more away from anything on
        the board, no effect observed.? If it lay directly on one of
        the sensing inductors, effect was ~ 50nT.

        Another thought on temperature stability .... place the mag in
        an in-ground vault.? Back in the 60's when we needed xtal
        oscillator stability on the cheap and better than the usual
        xtal oven of the day, we put the oscillator assembly about 3
        feet underground.? Very stable short term and excellent long
        term.? It would certainly work for 24 hour observation periods.

        Jules Madey-K2KGJ

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            Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:36:38 -0400

            From: "David G. McGaw"<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu></a>  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><mailto:david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu></a>

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            Subject: Re: [TangerineSDR] Mag update?

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            Interesting, this, as it says on the RM3100 webpage "Measurements are

            stable over temperature and inherently free of offset drift" and a

            temperature coefficient is not even mentioned in the specs.

            David N1HAC

            On 7/31/20 11:18 AM, Julius Madey via TangerineSDR wrote:

                Good morning all.? Betty Zhang at PNI is responding to the request and

                has asked for more information which I have supplied, including some

                of the JJ test comparisons, how I ran the calibration runs I did, data

                reduction, etc.

                I would suggest one further item for consideration in getting to a

                useable solution.? If RM3100 temperature turns out to be a concern,

                place the sensor in a small foam insulated box with a proportionally

                controlled heater which maintains the temperature at something just

                above what would be considered the highest environmental temperature

                around the sensor.? That should be relatively simple to do without

                introducing an interfering magnetic field local to the sensor.? Some

                power would be required but with careful design, I would think well

                within 1 watt.

                Another possibility would be using peltier effect heat pumps to do the

                same thing, although the technology would probably result is stronger

                local B fields from the peltier device and require more power.? The

                insulated foam box and proportional heater is also probably the

                cheapest approach considering the need to keep overall costs for the

                expected users low.

                Regards,

                Jules

                On 7/31/2020 10:26 AM, David Witten wrote:

                    Hyomin,

                    I'm not certain what the next step should be.? Julius is hoping for

                    further response from PNI on this subject.

                    If temperature compensation does account for the differences in

                    observed response I would think that the important thing to? do may

                    be to find a way to calibrate out the discrepancy.? Then we can look

                    at insulation to further minimize the effect.

                    Calibration will hopefully give us more meaningful values to begin?with.

                    Insulation will dampen the effect of those behaviors over short

                    timespans.

                    Fortunately, neither requires changes?in the basic circuit, just

                    adjustments to the data collection and device packaging.

                    Dave

                    On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kim, Hyomin <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">hmkim@njit.edu</a>  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><mailto:hmkim@njit.edu></a>  

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                     ??? Hi Dave

                     ??? Sorry that I've been out of the loop for a while as I was

                     ??? completely caught up with something else. May I ask you what the

                     ??? current status is?

                     ??? I can visit Jenny Jump if there is something that I can do. At

                     ??? this moment, I cannot think of anything that can be fixed from my

                     ??? end.

                     ??? If the temperature compensation is the issue, I could install

                     ??? insulations around the sensor.

                     ??? Hyomin

                     ??? NJIT logo

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                     ??? ? *Hyomin Kim*

                     ??? Assistant Professor

                     ??? Physics

                     ??? Center for Solar-Terrestrial Research

                     ??? Institute for Space Weather Sciences

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            Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:37:51 -0400

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            Subject: Re: [TangerineSDR] Mag update?

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            Interesting, this, as it says on the RM3100 webpage "Measurements are

            stable over temperature and inherently free of offset drift" and a

            temperature coefficient is not even mentioned in the specs.

            David N1HAC

            On 7/31/20 11:44 AM, Julius Madey via TangerineSDR wrote:

                One more thought.? I've asked PNI for information both on temperature

                and supply voltage sensitivity, the only two variables I could think

                of besides the need to minimize local B fields due to currents in

                circuit board traces, nearby wiring, etc.

                I did not find data on the temperature stability of the 3.3 volt

                regulator Dave's JJ board? is using but the regulator I used with the

                original adapter board Dave sent me has about 5 millivolts of change

                out of 3.3 volts between 25 and 50 C and Dave's is probably similar.?

                That doesn't seem like enough change to produce the observed

                variations but that information was given to PNI as well.

                On 7/31/2020 10:26 AM, David Witten wrote:

                    Hyomin,

                    I'm not certain what the next step should be.? Julius is hoping for

                    further response from PNI on this subject.

                    If temperature compensation does account for the differences in

                    observed response I would think that the important thing to? do may

                    be to find a way to calibrate out the discrepancy.? Then we can look

                    at insulation to further minimize the effect.

                    Calibration will hopefully give us more meaningful values to begin?with.

                    Insulation will dampen the effect of those behaviors over short

                    timespans.

                    Fortunately, neither requires changes?in the basic circuit, just

                    adjustments to the data collection and device packaging.

                    Dave

                    On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kim, Hyomin <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">hmkim@njit.edu</a>  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><mailto:hmkim@njit.edu></a>  

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                     ??? Hi Dave

                     ??? Sorry that I've been out of the loop for a while as I was

                     ??? completely caught up with something else. May I ask you what the

                     ??? current status is?

                     ??? I can visit Jenny Jump if there is something that I can do. At

                     ??? this moment, I cannot think of anything that can be fixed from my

                     ??? end.

                     ??? If the temperature compensation is the issue, I could install

                     ??? insulations around the sensor.

                     ??? Hyomin

                     ??? NJIT logo

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                     ??? ? *Hyomin Kim*

                     ??? Assistant Professor

                     ??? Physics

                     ??? Center for Solar-Terrestrial Research

                     ??? Institute for Space Weather Sciences

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