<div dir="ltr">This time, I will try to place the sensor as close as possible to the science magnetometer at Jenny Jump and insulate it to minimize the temperature effect if any. <div>Gil (the site manager) and I will not be available until next week but will try to address this issue as soon as possible. </div><div><br></div><div>Hyomin</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><table style="border-collapse:collapse;width:525px;border-spacing:0px;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(35,38,54);font-family:Poppins,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><tbody style="border:0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.9em"><tr><td style="padding:5px;font-size:0.9em;font-stretch:normal;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(255,0,0);border-width:0px 3px 0px 0px;border-bottom-style:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-top-style:initial;border-right-style:solid;border-left-style:initial;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:rgb(204,0,0);border-left-color:initial;width:180px;vertical-align:middle"><a href="https://www.njit.edu/" style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183)" target="_blank"><img src="https://assets.njit.edu/uicomponents/NJIT-email-logo.png" alt="NJIT logo" style="border:0px;display:block;vertical-align:middle;width:150px;height:auto;max-width:150px"></a></td><td style="padding:5px 5px 5px 10px;font-size:12px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:16px;border:0px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><strong style="color:rgb(111,111,111);font-size:13px">Hyomin Kim</strong><br><font color="#6f6f6f">Assistant Professor</font><br><font color="#6f6f6f">Physics<br></font><font color="#666666">Center for Solar-Terrestrial Research<br>Institute for Space Weather Sciences</font><br><font color="#666666"><a href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" target="_blank">hmkim@njit.edu</a> • <span style="white-space:nowrap">(973) 596-5704</span><br><a href="https://web.njit.edu/~hmkim/" target="_blank">https://web.njit.edu/~hmkim/</a><br>104 Tiernan Hall, 161 Warren Street, Newark, NJ 07102<br></font></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:49 PM Julius Madey via TangerineSDR <<a href="mailto:tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org">tangerinesdr@lists.tapr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <font face="Arial">That is the claim.  So either that's not the
      case, or perhaps it holds for levels in excess of a few hundred nT
      or something else is causing the variations that were observed at
      Jenny Jump and in my various tests.  It is probably not B fields
      very local to the adapter board, which sees currents in the 10mA
      range.  Just did some tests with 100mA into a twisted pair of #31
      magnet wire held near different parts of the RM3100 board.<br>
      <br>
      If the twisted pair was 0.5cm or more away from anything on the
      board, no effect observed.  If it lay directly on one of the
      sensing inductors, effect was ~ 50nT.<br>
      <br>
      Another thought on temperature stability .... place the mag in an
      in-ground vault.  Back in the 60's when we needed xtal oscillator
      stability on the cheap and better than the usual xtal oven of the
      day, we put the oscillator assembly about 3 feet underground. 
      Very stable short term and excellent long term.  It would
      certainly work for 24 hour observation periods.<br>
      <br>
      Jules Madey-K2KGJ<br>
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    <div>On 7/31/2020 1:38 PM,
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:36:38 -0400
From: "David G. McGaw" <a href="mailto:david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu" target="_blank"><david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu></a>
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Subject: Re: [TangerineSDR] Mag update?
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Interesting, this, as it says on the RM3100 webpage "Measurements are 
stable over temperature and inherently free of offset drift" and a 
temperature coefficient is not even mentioned in the specs.

David N1HAC

On 7/31/20 11:18 AM, Julius Madey via TangerineSDR wrote:
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        <pre>Good morning all.? Betty Zhang at PNI is responding to the request and 
has asked for more information which I have supplied, including some 
of the JJ test comparisons, how I ran the calibration runs I did, data 
reduction, etc.

I would suggest one further item for consideration in getting to a 
useable solution.? If RM3100 temperature turns out to be a concern, 
place the sensor in a small foam insulated box with a proportionally 
controlled heater which maintains the temperature at something just 
above what would be considered the highest environmental temperature 
around the sensor.? That should be relatively simple to do without 
introducing an interfering magnetic field local to the sensor.? Some 
power would be required but with careful design, I would think well 
within 1 watt.

Another possibility would be using peltier effect heat pumps to do the 
same thing, although the technology would probably result is stronger 
local B fields from the peltier device and require more power.? The 
insulated foam box and proportional heater is also probably the 
cheapest approach considering the need to keep overall costs for the 
expected users low.

Regards,
Jules

On 7/31/2020 10:26 AM, David Witten wrote:
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          <pre>Hyomin,

I'm not certain what the next step should be.? Julius is hoping for 
further response from PNI on this subject.

If temperature compensation does account for the differences in 
observed response I would think that the important thing to? do may 
be to find a way to calibrate out the discrepancy.? Then we can look 
at insulation to further minimize the effect.
Calibration will hopefully give us more meaningful values to begin?with.
Insulation will dampen the effect of those behaviors over short 
timespans.

Fortunately, neither requires changes?in the basic circuit, just 
adjustments to the data collection and device packaging.

Dave

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kim, Hyomin <<a href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" target="_blank">hmkim@njit.edu</a> 
<a href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" target="_blank"><mailto:hmkim@njit.edu></a>> wrote:

    Hi Dave
    Sorry that I've been out of the loop for a while as I was
    completely caught up with something else. May I ask you what the
    current status is?

    I can visit Jenny Jump if there is something that I can do. At
    this moment, I cannot think of anything that can be fixed from my
    end.

    If the temperature compensation is the issue, I could install
    insulations around the sensor.

    Hyomin



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Interesting, this, as it says on the RM3100 webpage "Measurements are 
stable over temperature and inherently free of offset drift" and a 
temperature coefficient is not even mentioned in the specs.

David N1HAC


On 7/31/20 11:44 AM, Julius Madey via TangerineSDR wrote:
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        <pre>One more thought.? I've asked PNI for information both on temperature 
and supply voltage sensitivity, the only two variables I could think 
of besides the need to minimize local B fields due to currents in 
circuit board traces, nearby wiring, etc.

I did not find data on the temperature stability of the 3.3 volt 
regulator Dave's JJ board? is using but the regulator I used with the 
original adapter board Dave sent me has about 5 millivolts of change 
out of 3.3 volts between 25 and 50 C and Dave's is probably similar.? 
That doesn't seem like enough change to produce the observed 
variations but that information was given to PNI as well.


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          <pre>Hyomin,

I'm not certain what the next step should be.? Julius is hoping for 
further response from PNI on this subject.

If temperature compensation does account for the differences in 
observed response I would think that the important thing to? do may 
be to find a way to calibrate out the discrepancy.? Then we can look 
at insulation to further minimize the effect.
Calibration will hopefully give us more meaningful values to begin?with.
Insulation will dampen the effect of those behaviors over short 
timespans.

Fortunately, neither requires changes?in the basic circuit, just 
adjustments to the data collection and device packaging.

Dave

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kim, Hyomin <<a href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" target="_blank">hmkim@njit.edu</a> 
<a href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu" target="_blank"><mailto:hmkim@njit.edu></a>> wrote:

    Hi Dave
    Sorry that I've been out of the loop for a while as I was
    completely caught up with something else. May I ask you what the
    current status is?

    I can visit Jenny Jump if there is something that I can do. At
    this moment, I cannot think of anything that can be fixed from my
    end.

    If the temperature compensation is the issue, I could install
    insulations around the sensor.

    Hyomin



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