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<font face="Arial">That is the claim. So either that's not the
case, or perhaps it holds for levels in excess of a few hundred nT
or something else is causing the variations that were observed at
Jenny Jump and in my various tests. It is probably not B fields
very local to the adapter board, which sees currents in the 10mA
range. Just did some tests with 100mA into a twisted pair of #31
magnet wire held near different parts of the RM3100 board.<br>
<br>
If the twisted pair was 0.5cm or more away from anything on the
board, no effect observed. If it lay directly on one of the
sensing inductors, effect was ~ 50nT.<br>
<br>
Another thought on temperature stability .... place the mag in an
in-ground vault. Back in the 60's when we needed xtal oscillator
stability on the cheap and better than the usual xtal oven of the
day, we put the oscillator assembly about 3 feet underground.
Very stable short term and excellent long term. It would
certainly work for 24 hour observation periods.<br>
<br>
Jules Madey-K2KGJ<br>
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:36:38 -0400
From: "David G. McGaw" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu"><david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu></a>
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Subject: Re: [TangerineSDR] Mag update?
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Interesting, this, as it says on the RM3100 webpage "Measurements are
stable over temperature and inherently free of offset drift" and a
temperature coefficient is not even mentioned in the specs.
David N1HAC
On 7/31/20 11:18 AM, Julius Madey via TangerineSDR wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Good morning all.? Betty Zhang at PNI is responding to the request and
has asked for more information which I have supplied, including some
of the JJ test comparisons, how I ran the calibration runs I did, data
reduction, etc.
I would suggest one further item for consideration in getting to a
useable solution.? If RM3100 temperature turns out to be a concern,
place the sensor in a small foam insulated box with a proportionally
controlled heater which maintains the temperature at something just
above what would be considered the highest environmental temperature
around the sensor.? That should be relatively simple to do without
introducing an interfering magnetic field local to the sensor.? Some
power would be required but with careful design, I would think well
within 1 watt.
Another possibility would be using peltier effect heat pumps to do the
same thing, although the technology would probably result is stronger
local B fields from the peltier device and require more power.? The
insulated foam box and proportional heater is also probably the
cheapest approach considering the need to keep overall costs for the
expected users low.
Regards,
Jules
On 7/31/2020 10:26 AM, David Witten wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hyomin,
I'm not certain what the next step should be.? Julius is hoping for
further response from PNI on this subject.
If temperature compensation does account for the differences in
observed response I would think that the important thing to? do may
be to find a way to calibrate out the discrepancy.? Then we can look
at insulation to further minimize the effect.
Calibration will hopefully give us more meaningful values to begin?with.
Insulation will dampen the effect of those behaviors over short
timespans.
Fortunately, neither requires changes?in the basic circuit, just
adjustments to the data collection and device packaging.
Dave
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kim, Hyomin <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu">hmkim@njit.edu</a>
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Hi Dave
Sorry that I've been out of the loop for a while as I was
completely caught up with something else. May I ask you what the
current status is?
I can visit Jenny Jump if there is something that I can do. At
this moment, I cannot think of anything that can be fixed from my
end.
If the temperature compensation is the issue, I could install
insulations around the sensor.
Hyomin
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Interesting, this, as it says on the RM3100 webpage "Measurements are
stable over temperature and inherently free of offset drift" and a
temperature coefficient is not even mentioned in the specs.
David N1HAC
On 7/31/20 11:44 AM, Julius Madey via TangerineSDR wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">One more thought.? I've asked PNI for information both on temperature
and supply voltage sensitivity, the only two variables I could think
of besides the need to minimize local B fields due to currents in
circuit board traces, nearby wiring, etc.
I did not find data on the temperature stability of the 3.3 volt
regulator Dave's JJ board? is using but the regulator I used with the
original adapter board Dave sent me has about 5 millivolts of change
out of 3.3 volts between 25 and 50 C and Dave's is probably similar.?
That doesn't seem like enough change to produce the observed
variations but that information was given to PNI as well.
On 7/31/2020 10:26 AM, David Witten wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hyomin,
I'm not certain what the next step should be.? Julius is hoping for
further response from PNI on this subject.
If temperature compensation does account for the differences in
observed response I would think that the important thing to? do may
be to find a way to calibrate out the discrepancy.? Then we can look
at insulation to further minimize the effect.
Calibration will hopefully give us more meaningful values to begin?with.
Insulation will dampen the effect of those behaviors over short
timespans.
Fortunately, neither requires changes?in the basic circuit, just
adjustments to the data collection and device packaging.
Dave
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kim, Hyomin <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu">hmkim@njit.edu</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hmkim@njit.edu"><mailto:hmkim@njit.edu></a>> wrote:
Hi Dave
Sorry that I've been out of the loop for a while as I was
completely caught up with something else. May I ask you what the
current status is?
I can visit Jenny Jump if there is something that I can do. At
this moment, I cannot think of anything that can be fixed from my
end.
If the temperature compensation is the issue, I could install
insulations around the sensor.
Hyomin
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