<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Ward,<div><br></div><div> Just a cultural warning that we have to be a bit careful here:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF. If there was a global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations - sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus. (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their scoring cards...)</blockquote><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> Most would say "well, there is this thing called the International Reference Ionosphere (IRI); that can tell you everything you need to know about the ionosphere and you can calculate the F2 MUF, etc.". Those on this list, e.g. Carl, know that reality is very different at times from a monthly mean type of climatology that forms the basis of IRI. The global amateur radio data can get a unique and better view - but one doesn't want to touch off a "right vs. wrong" type discussion. I've seen it happen before. </div><div><br></div><div> What we could do instead is to say "IRI is fine.. for long term averages, as far as it goes - but we now have a new, empirically determined, way to capture some of the more short term space weather variability. It complements IRI, not replaces it." Just something to remember.</div><div><br></div><div>73</div><div>Phil W1PJE</div><div> </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ward Silver <<a href="mailto:hwardsil@gmail.com">hwardsil@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">For advanced station capability photos and descriptions, I suggest you check with K5CM and the Time Nuts group - some of them have atomic clocks in their basements!<div><br></div><div>What I'd like to know more about space weather research is:<br></div><div>- what parameters beyond those we've considered would be useful and within the ability of amateurs to measure</div><div>- requirements for amateur-based measurements, realizing these might be looser than professional-quality but there would be more data</div><div>- can we get better real-time assessments of various point-to-point modes, such as path-specific F2 MUF, sporadic-E, chordal or ducted propagation</div><div><br></div><div>I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF. If there was a global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations - sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus. (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their scoring cards...)</div><div><br></div><div>73, Ward N0AX</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:35 PM Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D. <<a href="mailto:nathaniel.frissell@scranton.edu" target="_blank">nathaniel.frissell@scranton.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m going to be giving a presentation at the AMS meeting in a couple of weeks and talking about Space Weather Operational Resources and Needs of the Amateur Radio Community. (<a href="https://ams.confex.com/ams/2020Annual/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/370904" target="_blank">https://ams.confex.com/ams/2020Annual/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/370904</a>).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt">Do any of you have good photos of your station, building electronics, or that would otherwise show the amateur radio community in a positive light to
the professional research community?<u></u><u></u></span></li><li style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt">Are there any specific operation needs the that the amateur radio community has from the space weather community?<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">73 de Nathaniel W2NAF<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell, Ph.D., W2NAF<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Department of Physics and Electrical Engineering<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">(973) 787-4506<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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