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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks Gus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes, the various tid bits of documentation seem to be a bit self-contradictory and hard to align.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>“how can be demonstrated?”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have a forwarding partner who is a long-time FBB user and has been very helpful in testing JNOS to FBB forwarding. In fact, some of the extra logging of proposals in 2.0j.7v is due to him sending me information about strange JNOS behavior that didn’t appear in the JNOS log. Also, previous attempts to use mbox fbb 1 or 2 resulted in protocol errors which were hard to understand due to no proposal logging. I sent his FBB logs to Maiko, who has been generous with his time to add the extra logging so we can see what’s going on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We have been run 7 JNOS machines for the last 6 years, one of which is primarily for testing. So I can help test this stuff. That’s a contribution I can make to the group since I haven’t written a C program in over 15 years and probably forgot more than I learned! To do that, I need to understand more of the details. Hence, my questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>BTW, the observed strange behavior mentioned above is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:windowtext'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>When JNOS connects to FBB (mbox fbb 0), JNOS proposes a bulletin, which FBB accepts, then JNOS disconnects without sending it. It continues to propose the same bulletin every time it connects, until …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:windowtext'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>When FBB (N 0) connects to JNOS, and starts reverse forwarding, JNOS proposes the same bulletin, FBB accepts, and JNOS sends it. After that, it doesn’t propose it any more. But the same thing will happen with another bulletin later.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>On the FBB side, the log shows the proposals. But on the JNOS side, the proposals were not shown. So Maiko has added the proposal logging into 2.0j.7v. Unfortunately, the proposal logging does not occur unless both sides are using FBB forwarding (i.e. mbox fbb > 0). So I’m going to set one machine to mbox fbb 1 and another to mbox fbb 2, both talking to the same FBB forwarding partner. And we’ll see what we see. More as I learn it …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>N6MEF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> nos-bbs [mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>'Gustavo Ponza'<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 3, 2016 5:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> TAPR xNOS Mailing List <nos-bbs@tapr.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [nos-bbs] JNOS mbox fbb # vs. FBB forward.sys N #<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ah ah, briefly saying, all the items you exposed below are<br>incommensurable among them.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Fbb forwarding protocols can operate either in ASCII or binary compressed modes.<o:p></o:p></p><p>The three versions of FBB protocol are : <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><img width=14 height=14 style='width:.1458in;height:.1458in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image003.png@01D18D8B.6D73C810" hspace=5><a href="http://www.f6fbb.org/protocole.html#Basic">Ascii basic protocol</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><img border=0 width=14 height=14 style='width:.1458in;height:.1458in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image003.png@01D18D8B.6D73C810" hspace=5><a href="http://www.f6fbb.org/protocole.html#version0">Binary compressed protocol version 0</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><img border=0 width=14 height=14 style='width:.1458in;height:.1458in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.png@01D18D8B.6D73C810" hspace=5><a href="http://www.f6fbb.org/protocole.html#version1">Binary compressed protocol version 1</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><br>Each version is backwards compatible with the previous one.<br><br>The values related to the N switch below are referred to some<br>features (BIN, BIN+RESUME, XForwanding) added to *FBB PBBS*,<br>repeat the *PBBS software*, and have nothing to do with the so<br>called *FBB protocol*.<br>So, indicating N 1, simply means to force the FBB *PBBS* to use<br>ONLY the standard FBB protocol.<br><br>On 04/03/2016 07:32 AM, Michael Fox - N6MEF wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Gus, can you explain further your comment below about mandatory “N 1” on the FBB side compared to the following …</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From <a href="http://www.f6fbb.org/fbbdoc/fmtforwa.htm">http://www.f6fbb.org/fbbdoc/fmtforwa.htm</a> I read that the FBB forward.sys file can contain:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>N (number)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Assigns the standard forward protocol (MBL/RLI) for the specified BBS.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> 1 = FBB forwarding allowed</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> 2 = FBB+BIN forwarding</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> 4 = FBB+BIN+Resume</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> 8 = XFWD</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> Ex: N 15 = Sum of all protocols (default)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>My understanding is that “N 0” is actually just old-style, non-batched forwarding, like our “mbox fbb 0”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>If you are correct that “N 1” is required on the FBB side for FBB-style forwarding with JNOS, then according to the above info, “N 1” is apparently just standard, batched FBB forwarding with no compression (SID option “F”). And that would be the equivalent of “mbox fbb 1” on the JNOS side.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>Today, I understand that saying the word "FBB protocol"<br>it is intended the <a href="http://www.f6fbb.org/protocole.html#version1">Binary compressed protocol version 1</a><br>and then how this is related and matching to the "mbox fbb (x)"<br>switch, being the JNOS2 a work in progress (see my previous msg),<br>how can be demonstrated?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Michael</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>gus<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> <br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> nos-bbs [<a href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org">mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>'Gustavo Ponza'<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 2, 2016 4:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> TAPR xNOS Mailing List <a href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org"><nos-bbs@tapr.org></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [nos-bbs] mbox fbb setting</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>[clipped]</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>The 'telnet' setup on the side of xfbb should be:<br><br># Linux AX.25 port<br>#P A<br># Telnet port<br>P B<br>#<br># No compression [N 0]<br>N 1<br>#<br>IF H 00-23<br> S connected failure busy<br> C C IR0RM-1 44.134.32.233 23<br> V i0ojj$Wxxxnnnxxx$W<br>ENDIF<br><br>mandatory, for now, is to setup 'N 1'.<br><br>Note for Maiko: the problem seems reside on the fact that<br>the FBB and some other terminal packet programs need a<br>transparent TCP connection rather than the full TELNET<br>protocol.<br><br>On the JNOS2 side set the connection to:<br><br># for xfbb 7.05g/7.0.8 [ir0aab-1] <- telnet fwd OK (N 1)<br>telnet 44.134.32.240 6300<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nos-bbs mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org">nos-bbs@tapr.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs">http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>