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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I used the same config.h default that comes with the
sources to do the compile.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>These Smtp parameters are defined in
config.h:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>#define SDR_EXCEPTIONS /* SMTP Deny Relay exceptions
*/<BR>#define SGW_EXCEPTIONS /* SMTP Gateway exceptions (new for Dec2011)
*/<BR>#define SMTP_DENY_RELAY /* Refuse to relay msgs from hosts not in our
subnets */</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>To do the test, now added:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>smtp relay add 44.163.22.15
0xffffff00</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In shorewall open for test port 25 and monitoring tcpdump
tun0 still shows and avalanche of smtp spam mail still coming through the
Jnos. It is like a robot routine checking if my Jnos IP port 25 is
open and pumping the spam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This is the heading of one of those spam
e-mails:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>From </FONT><A href="mailto:cnvkush@yahoo.com"><FONT
face=Arial>cnvkush@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial> Wed Mar 19 21:56:54
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, it is only happening on my CentOS JNOS testing
machine. My other two JNOS only receiving 1 spam e-mail a day with this
heading from the same source </FONT><A href="mailto:123@yahoo.com"><FONT
face=Arial>123@yahoo.com</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>From </FONT><A href="mailto:123@yahoo.com"><FONT
face=Arial>123@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial> Wed Mar 19 03:51:24
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks will setup my Linux to do the
filtering.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>73s Jose / HP2AT</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bobtenty@gmail.com href="mailto:bobtenty@gmail.com">Bob Tenty</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nos-bbs@tapr.org
href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org">TAPR xNOS Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [nos-bbs] How to avoid SMTP
spam mail in mqueue</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Jose,<BR><BR>Have you defined this in your config.h
before your compiled jnos?<BR><BR>#define SMTP_DENY_RELAY /* Refuse to relay
msgs from hosts not in our subnets */<BR><BR>After that you can enable relay
for a subnet if you need it, like this for example...<BR><BR>smtp relay add
44.123.99.1 0xffffff00<BR><BR><BR>There is also a file
called "refile" what is located in the jnos spool directory what you
can<BR>use to filter email based on the "From:" addresses.<BR>I will give you
a couple of examples:<BR><BR>*@financier.com|*@* refuse<BR><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:warbelventas@warbel.com.ar">warbelventas@warbel.com.ar</A>|*@*
refuse<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:h*lampe@chello.nl">h*lampe@chello.nl</A>|*@*
refuse<BR>*@astroexpo.com@*|* hold<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:printz9@1st.net">printz9@1st.net</A>|ve3tok@* refuse<BR><BR>See
also the docs.<BR><BR>But again as already said by others, let Linux do the
filtering.<BR><BR>This is of course a lot of work to setup and maintain.<BR>Be
also aware that spam filtering can cause a (very) high<BR>CPU load on your
computer, etc.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Bob VE3TOK<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On
14-03-19 03:27 PM, Jose Ng Lee wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks for the recommendations Michael.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have shorewall firewall block port 25 for two days
and Jnos was good and no crash. Today, I tried open port 25
and monitored TUN0 with tcpdump. The smtp mail spam
just keep flowing and my Jnos is accepting those spam mail for relay and
crashing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>As I understood, by default Jnos Deny Relay. I
tried the commands "smtp deny relay" and "stmp relay deny" but not
accepted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Still trying to find out why Jnos is accepting those
e-mail instead of denying relay. Before, I don't have in Rewrite a
specific define and all the spam e-mails accumulated in mqueue. Now,
in Rewrite everything that is not defined is put in check. So, the
check.txt file is growing larger (later delete) but at least is not smtp for
delivered out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>José / HP2AT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=n6mef@mefox.org href="mailto:n6mef@mefox.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Michael E Fox - N6MEF</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hp2cwb@cwpanama.net
href="mailto:hp2cwb@cwpanama.net" moz-do-not-send="true">Jose Ng Lee</A> ;
<A title=nos-bbs@tapr.org href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">'TAPR xNOS Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2014 2:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [nos-bbs] How to avoid
SMTP spam mail in mqueue</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>For the greatest protection, run all email through your separate mail
server. This includes:</DIV>
<DIV>-- inbound connections from Internet hosts to your public I
address,</DIV>
<DIV>-- inbound connections from Internet hosts to your 44.x address via
tunnel from the AMPRnet gateway, and</DIV>
<DIV>-- inbound connections from other 44.x machines to your 44.x address
via tunnels</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>M</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: #575757; FONT-SIZE: 9px">Sent from my Verizon Wireless
4G LTE smartphone</DIV></DIV><BR><BR>-------- Original message
--------<BR>From: Jose Ng Lee <HP2CWB@CWPANAMA.NET><BR>Date:03/17/2014
8:39 AM (GMT-08:00) <BR>To: Michael E Fox - N6MEF <N6MEF@MEFOX.ORG>,'TAPR
xNOS Mailing List' <NOS-BBS@TAPR.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [nos-bbs] How to
avoid SMTP spam mail in mqueue <BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks Michael for the tips on how to protect
my Jnos.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I could block SMTP (port 25) on the Firewall
for inbound mails to TUN0, but does that block also the good mail 44
route coming fron encap?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I trying to figure out why my Jnos accepted
all those incoming spam mail. It should have issue an SMTP DENY and
not accepted those emails. Maybe, there is a script somewhere on my
CentOS machine allowing the entrace. So will keep
looking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>José / HP2AT</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=n6mef@mefox.org href="mailto:n6mef@mefox.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Michael E Fox - N6MEF</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hp2cwb@cwpanama.net
href="mailto:hp2cwb@cwpanama.net" moz-do-not-send="true">'Jose Ng
Lee'</A> ; <A title=nos-bbs@tapr.org href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">'TAPR xNOS Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2014 8:28
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [nos-bbs] How to avoid
SMTP spam mail in mqueue</DIV>
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<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Block
direct inbound SMTP connections to JNOS. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Set
up an MX in Linux using all the modern spam avoidance mechanisms dynamic
black lists, UBE detection, signature-based detection, etc.) and send
all inbound email to JNOS through that mail server using an MX record in
DNS. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Michael<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">N6MEF<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
<A href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</A> [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org">mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jose Ng Lee<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 16, 2014
10:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> TAPR xNOS Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[nos-bbs] How to avoid SMTP spam mail in
mqueue<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I noticed today my Raspberry
Pi Jnos was respawing in every few minutes. So, I checked
and found out there was some spam e-mails in mqueue not been able to
deliver and causing the system to crash and respawn. Deleted those
e-mails and checking the logs and put in blacklist the offender
IPs.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I play with 3 Jnos
systems:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Main systems PC with Linux
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS: onx.hp2at.ampr.org</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">No spam mail in
mqueue.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Raspberry Pi with Raspbian:
hp2ng.ampr.org</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Few spam mail in
mqueue.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">PC with Centos 5.9:
hp2sa.ampr.org</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">THOUSANDS of spam mail in
mqueue. Don't know how this got through or why it was received in
JNOS. The autoexec.nos is the same as my other
system.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This is on the message heading
on one mail:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Received: from pc-200402271018
by hp2sa.ampr.org (ONXSA BBS) with
SMTP<BR> id AA24803 ; Thu, 13
Mar 2014 03:17:52 EST<BR>From: =?BIG5?B?pWqo5a21vNY=?= <<A
href="mailto:springboard@yahoo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">springboard@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: "awze"
<<A href="mailto:awze@awze.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">awze@awze.com</A>><BR>Subject:<BR> =?BIG5?B?RGlzbmV5qOC1o7nPrtGhQqlfpf2lzaeupHCpaiC1paqpxXao7LTBuc+u0aFCpfq6?=<BR> =?BIG5?B?0KRqpViyTaFJ?=<BR>Date:
Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:58:06 +0800<BR>MIME-Version: 1.0<BR>Content-Type:
text/html;<BR>
charset="Big5"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable<BR>X-Priority: 3<BR>X-MSMail-Priority:
Normal<BR>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1106<BR>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V6.00.2800.1106<BR>Message-Id: <<A href="mailto:24804@hp2sa.ampr.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">24804@hp2sa.ampr.org</A>></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Took this JNOS offline until
the problem solve.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Please can anyone know a way
to deny receiving spam mail in jnos.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thanks,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">José /
HP2AT</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></NOS-BBS@TAPR.ORG></N6MEF@MEFOX.ORG></HP2CWB@CWPANAMA.NET></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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