<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
<title></title>
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
I can confirm that..<br>
<br>
I process all my mail in linux because of that ( and also because of
spam and virus filtering.)<br>
I implemented the whole bunch including DKIM and the older
DomainKeys as I'm also running<br>
my own domains and the servers for that.<br>
<br>
<br>
Bob VE3TOK<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11-03-10 11:51 AM, Wm Lewis wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:BLU150-w452AD740E8D4368781E187A9C80@phx.gbl"
type="cite">
<style><!--
.hmmessage P
{
margin:0px;
padding:0px
}
body.hmmessage
{
font-size: 10pt;
font-family:Tahoma
}
--></style>
I just sent Michael a long email regarding JNOS stations trying to
send email directly to commercial MTA mailservers.<br>
<br>
I'll try to summarize here:<br>
<br>
It's a coin toss if JNOS can successfully *send* email directly to
a commercial email server. JNOS does not use industry standards
for authentication when connecting to a mail server. <br>
<br>
JNOS still uses standards that existed way back when the internet
was first getting going.<br>
<br>
Authentication standards have changed, mainly to prevent spammers.
Since the JNOS smtp server has never been upgraded to authenticate
using today RFP standards, some commercial email servers will
reject a JNOS connection.<br>
<br>
Something important to know here is that not all JNOS stations
*RECEIVE EMAIL DIRECTLY* !!<br>
If your JNOS smtp server calls another JNOS station direct, and
the JNOS on the other side answers, it should transfer mail fine.<br>
<br>
However !!!! If the JNOS station on the other side is configured
to use SOMEONE else's mail server hosting services first, your
JNOS is actually connecting to an MTA station and not a JNOS
station. The hosting MTA server may reject your JNOS's connection
for failure to authenticate with today's standards.<br>
<br>
So, not all JNOS mail server configurations are equal !!!<br>
<br>
Beware that using your JNOS to send email DIRECTLY to someone on
commercial internet may have a high failure rate.<br>
<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
KG6BAJ.<br>
<br>
<br>
<hr id="stopSpelling">
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:n6mef@mefox.org">n6mef@mefox.org</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org">nos-bbs@tapr.org</a><br>
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 23:41:59 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [nos-bbs] smtp gateway command<br>
<br>
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft SafeHTML">
<style>
.ExternalClass p.ecxMsoNormal, .ExternalClass li.ecxMsoNormal, .ExternalClass div.ecxMsoNormal
{margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:black;}
.ExternalClass a:link, .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlink
{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}
.ExternalClass a:visited, .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}
.ExternalClass pre
{margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black;}
.ExternalClass span.ecxHTMLPreformattedChar
{font-family:Consolas;color:black;}
.ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle19
{font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:windowtext;}
.ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle20
{font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1F497D;}
.ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle21
{font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1F497D;}
.ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle22
{font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1F497D;}
.ExternalClass .ecxMsoChpDefault
{font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;}
.ExternalClass div.ecxWordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
</style>
<div class="ecxWordSection1">
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Never
mind. I just tried with Maiko’s system and it works fine.
That is, I can telnet to Maiko’s machine, log in, send
myself a message at my machine, and it works. I can log
into my machine, send a message to myself at Maiko’s
machine, then telnet to Maiko’s machine and it’s there.
Boom.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Must
be a problem on the other end for that one other station.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">m.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style:
solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223)
-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in
0in;">
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color:
windowtext; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color:
windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org">nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org">mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Fox - N6MEF<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'TAPR xNOS Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [nos-bbs] smtp gateway command</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But that’s not the behavior
I’m seeing. See below. I can ping and telnet and whatever
to the non-domain.txt hosts but mail doesn’t go out to them…</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">m</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style:
solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223)
-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in
0in;">
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color:
windowtext; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color:
windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org">nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org">mailto:nos-bbs-bounces@tapr.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob
Tenty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TAPR xNOS Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [nos-bbs] smtp gateway command</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal">Translation:<br>
If it can't find the records by whatever means, mail will be
sent to the the smtp gateway.<br>
(if defined in the autoexec.nos)<br>
<br>
Bob VE3TOK<br>
<br>
On 11-03-09 05:11 PM, Michael Fox - N6MEF wrote: </p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can someone clarify the
usage of the smtp gateway command?</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The documentation says:
“Any mail sent to a host not in the domain.txt file or not
found via a nameserver query, will instead be sent to the
gateway for forwarding (if #define’d).”</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For an OR statement to be
true, only one of the inputs need to be true. So if mail
is destined for a host which is NOT in domain.txt, then an
smtp gateway is required, EVEN IF the host IS found via a
nameserver query. Correct?</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If so, that would match the
condition I’m seeing. I don’t currently have an smtp
gateway configured. Messages to hosts in my domain.txt file
go out, but messages to hosts which are not in my domain.txt
file sit in the smtp queue and don’t go out, even though
those hosts are listed in DNS. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If this is all true, then
it seems like the second condition is meaningless and should
be removed from the text. In other words, if the
destination host is not in domain.txt then the mail will be
sent to the gateway for forwarding. If a gateway is not
defined, then the messages will remain in the queue. Am I
reading this wrong?</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Michael</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">N6MEF</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<pre style="margin-left: 1in;"> </pre>
<pre style="margin-left: 1in;">_______________________________________________</pre>
<pre style="margin-left: 1in;">nos-bbs mailing list</pre>
<pre style="margin-left: 1in;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org">nos-bbs@tapr.org</a></pre>
<pre style="margin-left: 1in;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs" target="_blank">https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs</a></pre>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size:
12pt;"> </span></p>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________ nos-bbs mailing
list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org">nos-bbs@tapr.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs">https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs</a>
<pre wrap="">
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
_______________________________________________
nos-bbs mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nos-bbs@tapr.org">nos-bbs@tapr.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs">https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>