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Goodness Tim - philosophy?<BR>
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On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 16:12 -0500, Tim Gorman wrote:
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Skip,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">A philosophy question. Is there a reason you are moving to FC-5? One reason I </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">left Redhat a number of years ago was their growing penchant to emulate </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Microsoft with numerous upgrade requirements. </FONT>
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The upgrades for Redhat commercial product line are not too bad (opinion), but the FC project is something more demanding. The good news is that the toolkit to stay up-to-date is painless (almost) - you can almost put it on cron and ignore the issue. I've been bitten by being too leading edge a few times, but maybe no worse than the Windows bugs. There are two issues that shine for me 1) the upgrade process is faithful to protecting user (my) data 2) Upgrades require no more than a few minutes followed by whatever (hours?) of unattended operation / reconfigure is pretty straight forward too when the config files are replaced.<BR>
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As a sidelite - FC-5 has pretty spiffy software management tools as long as you are broadband connected. I abandon hard software media some years ago and work pretty much entirely from HD images and web.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">I went with Suse and haven't had to move to a different version for over 2 </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">years, not even when Novell bought Suse.</FONT>
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I like suse too - although I don't have a current version up. When RH mucked around with the desktop trying to create that merge between gnome and kde making it look like something out of Redmond, I looked elsewhere. Later returned to FC. There are benefits in perhaps all the varieties of linux, and I guess I chose to lose music in mp3 for whatever FC has to offer...
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">I've really enjoyed not being caught up in the upgrad merry-go-round. </FONT>
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If there is a difference between you and me, it may be that I don't view the upgrade process as onerous. I could not prove it, but it may be that 10 small upgrades are simpler than one big one because it spreads whatever pain there is around? Or maybe my skin is thick...
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Do you </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">have to stay on it for development purposes?</FONT>
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Actually I'm retired and FC is just what I WANT to have in my workstation/server. I created a LAN for myself with 5 mixed platforms - the oldest is DOS6.2 (it quit booting a few months ago). So you used the word "have to" and I no longer do. It also takes loads of pressure off. What I'm up to is prototyping platforms I'll install on s/v CIRCE while we live aboard for a few years on the water (without a phone) - that's the only need to succeed.<BR>
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Your question triggers something: you can almost watch things go into obsolescence by stacking things in release date order. DOS 6 would not network with FC-5, but would with W-98 / Win-XP networked with FC-5 out-of-the-box / W-98 networking to XP with some reservations / and so forth... That's not to say it was impossible - it just took more effort. What we have going here with jnos working on this broad platform base is quite remarkable.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">tim ab0wr</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">P.S. My internet firewall is still on Redhat 7.2 using ipchains and </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Portsentry. So maybe I'm *too* conservative?</FONT>
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Nope - not if it works for you. My LAN sits behind a dynamic IP DSL router (based on Linux) and firewall with minimum outside penetration. A true network appliance. I'm certain I could be hacked, but the goodies here aren't probably worth the effort. When I worry the most is when I take the IBM G40 with W-XP on the road and outside the LAN.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">On Friday 05 May 2006 14:51, George (Skip) VerDuin wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> I find this failure fascinating...</FONT><A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2006-April/msg00571.html">>SNIP<</A><FONT COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nos-bbs">s</A></FONT>
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