[nos-bbs] State of packet and gateway traffic

MG oilpan at optonline.net
Tue Apr 15 20:51:53 EDT 2008

Hi Jay,
            Well you certainly make it sound as though packet is really 
kicking over there to spite the apparent decrease in the number of 
gates, and yes, I've noticed how many folks overseas have ramped it up a 
notch or two in the speeds they are using.....some very interesting 
stuff going on over there in certain places.

When I wrote about research I didnt mean I was actually going to make 
some sort of written report or anything (although a few notes are 
inevitable) I just wanted to get a good handle on the state of packet 
activity here and abroad........Right now at the moment I am not able to 
use packet or voice for that matter because I had ALL my gear plus a few 
other things permanently borrowed from my car when I was 
moving....tragedy, so Im waiting to find a good deal on a few things 
from E-bay or a hamfest....radio, TNC etc.....

Anyway.....what I EVENTUALLY want to try is not really a gateway, (I 
dont know what you would call it) but use the XNOS system to let folks 
in the area gain access to the amprnet through a radio port (packet 
AX.25) and then from there be able to telnet to any gate and use their 
BBS or radio ports to other nearby stations, no mail, no bbs messages.

As far as telnetting directly into NOS, I dont know about that, how can 
you be sure that a telnetter is a ham?, even if they have to register 
first, a person could just use a call book to "fake it"? although I know 
there are a lot of gates that allow it, I guess at some point I'll just 
get a consesus.

Mike W2AIQ

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings Mike,
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, MG wrote:
>> I was going to use the encap.txt file as ONE of my research tools to get
>> a feel for the current state of packet and gateway traffic in the US and
>> elsewhere.............  now that we're on the subject, if anyone has any
>> opinions on the increase or decrease of packet activity in the last 4
>> years or so feel free to spew.
>> Mike Goldsmith, W2aiq
>    Here in Michigan we didn't necessarily partake of the WinLink Koolaid
> (tounge in cheek), though we DO have some WL2K deployed in places.  We
> wanted something that did MORE than just email.  We wanted a locally
> controlled and widely managed network.  Something that ANY of a LARGE pool
> of trained people can maintain and 'adjust' as needed during emergencies
> -- no 'central' control.  We looked over all the various networking
> schemes and decided to build a core network around JNOS.  The 'core' nodes
> are attached to the Internet and configured as "Hamgate" gateways.  They
> use IPIP encap routes (the encap.txt file you were looking for) and also
> support NetROM/X1J4/K-net in places where it is easier to simply deploy
> K-net TNC's (and occasional NetROM "stacks" at multi-ported locations).
>    That said, please refer to [ WWW.MI-DRG.ORG ] for more maps and
> information about the Michigan network(s).  Not all the maps and tables
> are completely up to date nor do they show *everything*, so I will try to
> summarize what we have deployed thus far...
>    JNOS "Hamgates"       ==  ~20
>    JNOS RF nodes         ==   23
>    AX.25 stations        ==  ~45
>    Red Cross sites       ==    5
>    EOC sites             ==  ~12
>    Hospital/Health care  ==    2 
>    Planned new Hamgate deployments  ==  ~8
>    Planned new JNOS RF nodes        ==  ~6
>    Interest in the network continues to grow.  Albeit slowly at times, we 
> seem to have intense growth spurts from time to time.  Recently I deployed 
> 3 nodes in 3 weeks, and hope to deploy at least 5 more throughout this 
> Summer.  
>    So to answer your question, yes, we have had an "increase" in Packet
> activity in the past 4 years :) 
>    This has all happened largely by getting out to radio club meetings and
> stirring up new interest and already having a network in place for the new
> users to get online and have FUN!  Another motivator to get people on the
> air is to hold regular "nets".  We have 3 regularly scheduled weekly nets
> on the CONVerse bridge (much like Instant Messager) that anyone can join
> in from anywhere in the network.
>    The majority of the network is TCP/IP based and supports the full
> Internet suite of protocols.  So sending SMTP email is easy, as if FTP,
> Finger, Telnet, and even HTTP (we even have a web-server serving up NWS
> weather maps).  We *DO NOT* support the older hierarchical email
> forwarding once used by the old store and forward BBS's.  Instead, we use
> SMTP so email is delivered *directly* to it's destination over an
> end-to-end TCP connection (then SMTP over the top of that -- JUST like the
> Internet does!).  So this allows for the use of that "familiar interface"
> a.k.a. Outlook Email to be directly interfaced to the network using
>    This Summer we expect to deploy perhaps 20 new NetROM nodes.  And while
> 18 D-Star repeaters have been purchased and will be installed in 9
> counties, and 20+ EOC's are being equipped with Icom-2820's... they are
> for a VOICE network, and not a DATA network.  Digital "modulation" does 
> not make a "digital" network :(
>    As for the ENCAP.TXT statistics.  Let me summarize the contents of that 
> routing table for you:
>    History:
>       The ENCAP.TXT file size has slowly become smaller over the years. 
>       Much of this may be due to cleaning out the old gateways that no 
>       longer exist.  But Barry K2MF could probably speak with greater 
>       detail on this subject than I can...
>         Sep 1998 it was 37k in size (text)
>         Jan 1999 it was 39k
>         Jan 2000 it was 36k
>         Jan 2001 it was 33k
>         Jan 2002 it was 28k
>         Jan 2003 it was 30k
>         Jan 2004 it was 28k
>         Jan 2005 it was 26k
>         Jan 2006 it was 21k
>         Jan 2007 it was 19k
>         Jan 2008 it was 16k, where it holds in size today
>    o There are 278 individual routes in the table handled by 65 "Hamgates"
>    o 49 of these route entries are inside Michigan (or 17%)
>      Of the 65 Hamgates, 17 are in Michigan (or 26%)
>    o 29 of the route entries are /32 (serving only *ONE* host)
>      NOTE: That seems like a terrible waste 
>    As for the 'elsewhere' in your original querry.  Check out the network
> they've built in Slovenia!  Click on the yellow dots (in the map at the
> URL below) to see the number of links and their speeds that each site has.
>       http://www.s53m.com/map/index.html
>    There is a mix of 1.2 Mbps, 76k8, 38k4, 19k2 backbone links.  VERY
> impressive and appears they designed and built all their own routers and
> RF-modems, too!!!
>    I would be interested in hearing a synopsis of your final report, if 
> you would care to share it with the group.
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay Nugent  WB8TKL
>           o ARRL Michigan Section "Digital Radio Group" (DRG)
>             [www.MI-DRG.org]
>           o Michigan AMPRnet IP Address Coordinator
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Packeteer said:
>          "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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