<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto" style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">Telling people that we are going to scrap a perfectly good system that is implemented around the world and move to a new system is so exclusive you have to be insane. We all got our license for one reason or another however these "clicks" that form in a global system are insane. If you want to develope and start your own system of OpenTRAC go ahead but APRS needs to stay for the 40,000+ stations currently in use on fire net that was only in 30 minutes... With software development you can take whatever you want and parse it to another format. In emergency situations however you will not have the ability to communicate with one system to another.<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Let's be real here internet goes down, and electric goes down so what you have left in most cases is a radio with a built in TNC that is 1200 baud capable. All of the sudden the "network" that was created with the forward/backward capability is dead because the standard was not kept. Even if you got to <a href="http://aprs.org"><a href="http://aprs.org">aprs.org</a></a> about 1/4 down there is a Bold text that states "APRS is not a vehicle tracking system." It continues on to say "It is a two-way tactical real-time digital communications system between all assets in a network sharing information about everything going on in the local area. On ham radio, this means if something is happening now, or there is information that could be valuable to you, then it should show up on your APRS radio in your mobile." APRS is a system that is self sufficient without the internet the internet only provides a way to communicate a longer distance.<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">To further on the proposal I am ok with either route of it being a 501c or a open-source project. I don't have much background in development but am learning python currently in prep for a career change as well as have knowledge of html css.<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Jon KB3OSP<br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On Feb 14, 2022, at 00:02, Gregg Wonderly <<a href="mailto:gregg@wonderly.org" target="_blank">gregg@wonderly.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Ultimately, the concepts of APRS are interesting. But the implementation is problematic for future use. What makes more sense is to look at replacing APRS with OpenTrac. It is much more rigorous in design, less bandwidth and trivial to use on small processor systems where data processing needs to be memory and power friendly. <div><br></div><div>Gregg Wonderly</div><div>W5GGW<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 13, 2022, at 11:20 AM, Jeff Hochberg <jeff@w4jew.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-9fd06595-7fff-f004-b229-fc0e101a5095"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Hello,</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">My name is Jeff Hochberg (W4JEW) and I’m located in Atlanta, GA.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I chatted with Steve Dimse earlier this week about what I am about to cover here. He asked that I ensure this is an open discussion with aprssig, hence the reason for this message.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I’ve been a member of the aprssig mailing list for quite some time now but haven’t been an active participant - primarily due to other commitments, work, and most importantly family.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Some of you might be familiar with the annual Appalachian Trail Golden Packet (ATGP) event that Bob Bruninga started back in 2009. </span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Bob and I connected shortly after he was first diagnosed with cancer and he asked me to take on managing ATGP just shy of 3.5 years ago. Not only have I been managing the group, I’ve been coordinating the annual event, and running a new monthly ATGP Knowledge Share series that is focused entirely on APRS. </span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">APRS has been at the forefront of my time with amateur radio and is something that I am extremely passionate about. I, along with a core group within ATGP have been very concerned with the future of APRS and have been watching closely to see what would happen after Bob left us.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">With Kenwood’s uncertain demise - discontinuing the TH-D74 and not making any official statement of their future on continuing with production of the TH-D72 and TM-D710 has left a dark spot on APRS. Granted, there are other manufacturers that continue to support APRS and there’s a strong community of hardware manufacturers that are still shipping TNCs, as well as a wide array of open source and closed source software projects (Direwolf, APRSIS32, PinPoint APRS, to name a few.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Yaesu’s implementation of APRS is probably the strongest outside of Kenwood - which isn’t saying much. Icom’s conscious decision to not include analog APRS in their radios baffles me. And there are other manufacturers such as AnyTone that are limping along with half-rate implementations of APRS that do more to harm the ham community than help. Thankfully they seem to realize the error in their ways and have been making a slightly concerted effort to remedy their sophomoric attempts with the original AT-D878 and AT-578 with the recent release of the AT-D878UV2 Plus and the AT-D578UV3 Plus - both still leave a lot to be desired. </span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I think we can all agree that the APRS standard stagnated and has largely remained the same for the past several years. We’ve been stuck at the current version for far too long and have fallen out of the limelight. The time has come for that to change!</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">And I know there’s some that feel as though it’s time for APRS to publish a final chapter and close the book forever as there’s been advancements in other areas of amateur radio that overlap APRS either in part or in full.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I couldn’t disagree more strongly! There’s plenty of lifeblood left and there’s tremendous opportunity to bring it back with a vengeance!</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">What APRS needs is an overhaul. The standard needs to be updated to include relatively recent extensions as well as a group of people that are invested in driving it’s future. I’ve been reading through an active discussion on a replacement for APRS - that is also something that could be considered. Truthfully, there are lots of directions this can go in.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">What is needed at this juncture is an organization - more specifically a non-profit 501(c)3 corporation that will represent APRS at a global scale that is focused on a renaissance as well as adding to an already strong foundation that can compliment the some of the latest and most exciting areas of amateur radio including, but not limited to, the likes of the M17 Project.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">John and I are putting forth a motion.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This email serves as an official proposal to kick off this effort. I, Jeff Hochberg, along with John Tarbox (WA1KLI) are proposing the creation of a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation who’s charter is to re-establish APRS as a kingpin of the ham radio world. To take on the trademark and the <a href="http://aprs.org">aprs.org</a> domain, with the mission to ensure that APRS continues to thrive.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">But that’s not all. This corporation will have an open door policy where any like-minded licensed amateur radio operators around the world can join provided they are committed to advance APRS into version 2.0 and beyond!</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">While this is still very early stages, it is something that we are willing to commit to 100% and begin with the formation of an organization immediately.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">There are two other prominent members of the APRS community that we are all familiar with (and are also members of aprssig) that have also shown interest, but I do not want to name them without their permission.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Who is Jeff Hochberg? That's an excellent question!</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Just to share a little bit more about me... I live in Atlanta, Georgia with my wife Charity and my stepdaughter Tatam. </span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I currently hold a General Class license and have been a licensed amateur radio operator since 2015 (originally KM4KPI). I am currently pursuing my Amateur Extra license and intend to take the exam in the not so distant future.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I’ve been working in the Information Technology sector (specially in the networking and security world) for the past 26 years. I am a Field Solutions Engineer (a.k.a. "Sales Engineer") focused on enterprise customers for one of the world's leading cloud providers - a name many of you are likely familiar with.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">In addition to sales engineering, I also have several years experience in the realms of technical marketing and business development and a proven track record of solving complex problems for some of the worlds largest organizations in the Fortune 100 and Fortune 50.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">John has been a ham since the 1960s and holds an Amateur Extra license (WA1KLI). He has worked in the IT field his entire career as a programmer, IT Manager, and currently as Adjunct Faculty in Computer Science. He is a life member of ARRL and a member of Quarter Century Wireless Association (QCWA). He has participated in ATGP for over ten years, first from Sugarloaf Mountain in Maine and, more recently, from Mount Washington in NH.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">John resides in Phillips, Maine, and in 2020 earned an MS in CIS with a concentration in Cybersecurity from Boston University. During 2019-2020 he served with Americorps as a Digital Literacy Instructor.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Besides ham radio, John enjoys Sailing and outdoor activities with his partner, Carolyn KC1MGI. SOTA and POTA figure prominently in his plans for this summer.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">You can review our profiles on LinkedIn to learn more about our professional backgrounds:</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhochberg" style="text-decoration-line:none"><span style="font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhochberg</span></a></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tarbox/" style="text-decoration-line:none"><span style="font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.linkedin.com/in/tarbox/</span></a></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This new organization can use the help and support of all the hams who have worked so hard to make APRS what it is today, as well as those who will join us to advance and promote APRS as we go forward.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We intend for this organization to be as <i>open and inclusive as possible</i>, and thus we welcome all who wish to join us on this exciting journey to make APRS move forward in the 21st century.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">As mentioned, there are a couple of others in the APRS community that are actively giving consideration to joining John and I, but wanted to take additional time to give it thought. It was important to John and I to make sure we reached out to aprssig as quickly as possible.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We are excited at the prospect of this opportunity and hope we can count on your support!</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Please do not hesitate to let John Tarbox and or myself know if you have any questions or concerns via this thread on aprssig. At the request of Steve Dimse, it is important that all discussions related to this matter remain in the public domain.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Thank you for your consideration!</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Best Regards,</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Jeff Hochberg - W4JEW</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Atlanta, GA</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="mailto:w4jew@arrl.net" style="text-decoration-line:none"><span style="font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">w4jew@arrl.net</span></a></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">John Tarbox</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Philips, ME</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="mailto:wa1kli@arrl.net" style="text-decoration-line:none"><span style="font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">wa1kli@arrl.net</span></a></p><br></span></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></div></div></div>
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