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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am with Scott on the DJIs; they just work. I have a small fleet at work and I use the stock controller with an iPad Air for the display/ flight plan controller. An inexpensive android tablet should work for you application (I need to program complex flight plans). The control that comes with it has the standard up/ down/ port/ starboard controls but no display. I just looked at the controller for a DJI Phantom 4 PRO and it has no video output (there is USB "A" output); there is an external viewer option so there is a way to get video out of the controller. Legally the UAS needs to be within sight of the pilot at all times.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Lee N4TCW</div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:00:24 AM MST, aprssig-request@lists.tapr.org <aprssig-request@lists.tapr.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Send aprssig mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:aprssig-request@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig-request@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:aprssig-owner@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig-owner@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of aprssig digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. Drones (Robert Bruninga)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. Re: Drones (Stephen H Smith)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. Re: Drones (Scott Miller)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 16:29:39 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Robert Bruninga <<a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bruninga@usna.edu</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <<a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a>>, Robert Bruninga<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bruninga@usna.edu</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [aprssig] Drones<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CALdCfNJwWs4OADW5_+k+SEyZ83VnQ5A_6K7bT=<a href="mailto:W_FaajxhbCEQ@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">W_FaajxhbCEQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Any recommneation for modest cost quality drone for flying around my 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">acre property for inspections. My health has me headed to bed ridden<br></div><div dir="ltr">and so as we clean up<br></div><div dir="ltr">all the work needed (using contractors aned other h3alp around the<br></div><div dir="ltr">yard) I need to zoom in<br></div><div dir="ltr">to look at things and help making decisios.from my bed<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Initially cost was no option so I couil also fly around the n3ighborhood and up<br></div><div dir="ltr">and donw th3e creek, but most are not desgined beyond operator field of vieww.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Also no smart phone wanted. needs ts own closed system. Base should be<br></div><div dir="ltr">able to plug into to TV for large view?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ive never looked at drones b4 so I could be way off?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Bob, WB4APR<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 17:55:36 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Stephen H Smith <<a href="mailto:WA8LMF2@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WA8LMF2@aol.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [aprssig] Drones<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:c734e09e-7c00-7dcd-1192-bf93a8522d0e@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">c734e09e-7c00-7dcd-1192-bf93a8522d0e@aol.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.tapr.org/pipermail/aprssig_lists.tapr.org/attachments/20220109/4c742829/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.tapr.org/pipermail/aprssig_lists.tapr.org/attachments/20220109/4c742829/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:06:27 -0800<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Scott Miller <<a href="mailto:scott@opentrac.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">scott@opentrac.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [aprssig] Drones<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:e1e72f0e-c85d-977b-43a5-3149d2138d2b@opentrac.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">e1e72f0e-c85d-977b-43a5-3149d2138d2b@opentrac.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I've got a DJI Mini 2 and I really like it. Been doing both cinematic <br></div><div dir="ltr">stuff and more utilitarian surveying. It was about $440 from Costco for <br></div><div dir="ltr">the bundle. I'm currently about $900 into the hobby, including extra <br></div><div dir="ltr">batteries and charger, filters, sun shade, and Part 107 testing fee.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It does need a smart phone or tablet, unless you buy the DJI smart <br></div><div dir="ltr">controller. The smart controller is 2-4x the price of the drone, though. <br></div><div dir="ltr">I already had a slightly out of date spare Android phone that I paid <br></div><div dir="ltr">about $60 for and it works just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The camera is great. It shoots good 4K video at 30 fps, and 2.7K at 60 <br></div><div dir="ltr">fps. Endurance is about 30 minutes but I don't normally push it past 20. <br></div><div dir="ltr">It's under 250 grams so no need to register it. It folds up small enough <br></div><div dir="ltr">to fit in a coat pocket. Here's a quick video of my shop roof to show <br></div><div dir="ltr">how it could work for inspection purposes - I'd only had the drone a <br></div><div dir="ltr">couple of days at that point so there's no particular skill on my part: <br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://vimeo.com/664043482/442cba9bfc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/664043482/442cba9bfc</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think your biggest problem is going to be the control signal. Line of <br></div><div dir="ltr">sight it'll supposedly do 10 km. You know what RF performance is like in <br></div><div dir="ltr">the real world, though. I flew mine under a railroad bridge from maybe <br></div><div dir="ltr">100 yards away and went from full strength to no video in an instant. <br></div><div dir="ltr">Still managed to keep the control link, though, and flew it out the <br></div><div dir="ltr">other side blind. So flying from your bedroom might be difficult, but <br></div><div dir="ltr">you could certainly do it from a wheelchair or something if you can get <br></div><div dir="ltr">outside. (Also legally you're supposed to maintain visual line of sight. <br></div><div dir="ltr">And if you're using it for anything other than recreational purposes <br></div><div dir="ltr">you're supposed to have a Part 107 certificate.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The Mini 2's biggest deficiency is its lack of collision avoidance <br></div><div dir="ltr">sensors. It only has a downward-facing sensor. For inspection work you <br></div><div dir="ltr">really need to be vigilant about maintaining situational awareness. The <br></div><div dir="ltr">good news is that with a high resolution camera you don't need to get <br></div><div dir="ltr">super close most of the time. The sub-$1000 drones from DJI also don't <br></div><div dir="ltr">have any autonomous flight capabilities, aside from some pre-programmed <br></div><div dir="ltr">camera moves. You can't program them to follow a series of waypoints, <br></div><div dir="ltr">for example. There's third-party software that will sort of do that, but <br></div><div dir="ltr">only by "virtual stick" inputs where the drone is piloted by the <br></div><div dir="ltr">controller. If it loses the signal, it can't keep flying the programmed <br></div><div dir="ltr">route.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Scott<br></div><div dir="ltr">N1VG<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On 1/9/2022 1:29 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Any recommneation for modest cost quality drone for flying around my 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">> acre property for inspections. My health has me headed to bed ridden<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and so as we clean up<br></div><div dir="ltr">> all the work needed (using contractors aned other h3alp around the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> yard) I need to zoom in<br></div><div dir="ltr">> to look at things and help making decisios.from my bed<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Initially cost was no option so I couil also fly around the n3ighborhood and up<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and donw th3e creek, but most are not desgined beyond operator field of vieww.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Also no smart phone wanted. needs ts own closed system. Base should be<br></div><div dir="ltr">> able to plug into to TV for large view?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Ive never looked at drones b4 so I could be way off?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Bob, WB4APR<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">> aprssig mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">aprssig mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">End of aprssig Digest, Vol 211, Issue 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">***************************************<br></div></div>
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