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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ev Tupis via aprssig wrote:<br>
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<p>I've love that argument, and have used it before too! I
contracted for a while with a bleeding-edge IoT company, who
thought everything they were doing was brand new. I told them
"pffffft, radio hams have been doing most of this for well over a
quarter-century, they call it APRS, let me show you"... And APART
FROM needing a ham license instead of cell coverage, I managed to
show them examples of ALMOST(*) all of their target markets -
vehicle/item/person tracking, collecting weather / other
instrumentation data, SMS-like short message traffic, people
connecting up all sorts of crazy stuff like door bells and water
wheels, and central archives that can be queried for history and
even plotting pretty graphs of the weather data and stuff.  :-D</p>
<p>(*) ... and when I say ALMOST - I bet AT LEAST one of you
somewhere is sending back more than vehicle location+speed, but a
bunch of other vehicle metrics like voltages, pressures, fluid
levels, or something... am I right?</p>
<p>And I KNOW some of you are sending things like
solar/battery/water/septic level monitoring from their remote
off-grid cottages  :-)<br>
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sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><span>... general hobbyists to
transport small data packets of all types (let your
imagination run) from geographically separated
locations...many without Internet service.<br>
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<p>Like many others, my club has launched and tracked a near-space
balloon. This is something you specifically CAN'T do with cellular
phone tech due to all sorts of "line of sight" issues from high
altitude, almost the opposite of a coverage problem - you break
their network by being visible to FAR TOO MANY base stations. APRS
collects but de-dupes this beautifully, or of course tracking
vehicles can receive direct without needing a network in between.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">...public service and
emergency communication groups like RACES and ARES to add
situational awareness data to first responders of all types;</div>
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<p>Yup. my club has also used some APRS tracking of vehicles,
volunteers and supplies, and also "adding extra items to the map"
for a local marathon (the route, water stations, first aid
locations, first/last runners). The resulting maps were of course
useful EVEN TO UNLICENSED PEOPLE.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">...and even more. Think
about all of the services that the public "Internet of Things"
and texting provide. Now, know that amateur radio and APRS
has been doing it since before the Internet existed and can
continue to provide those services when disaster takes the
Internet offline even on a local basis.</div>
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<p>Yup, or indeed things like the high altitude problem above. :-)</p>
<p>There are many times and places where cellular tech isn't
appropriate or reliable or even available. Sat phone is SOMETIMES
a very expensive alternative (equipment, subscription, data
charges, not to mention batteries and power).</p>
<p>We'll see how Elon's sky-cluttering project changes this, my best
guess is you're NOT going to get the same performance for a few
tens of milliwatts for low-bandwidth metrics / position tracking,
but if you can afford battery and equipment and antenna weight,
obviously you'll have loads more bandwidth to play with.<br>
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<p>R Kirk said:<br>
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<p>
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-style: italic;
font-weight: bold;">Really, it is just location tracking
despite the many other uses that Bob has thought of that
aren't really used</span></blockquote>
My city+area certainly has quite a few extra things "put on the
map" that aren't "tracking" as such - local repeaters are an
obvious one, but days/times of nets, locations of club meetings
and hamfests (well, not in 2020, but, y'know), hospitals, etc,
plus of course the marathon route and other info mentioned above.</p>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica;
font-size: 10pt; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">I
loved it [...]<br>
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Some of us still love it  :-)<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="color: black; font-family:
arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt; font-style: italic;
font-weight: bold;">[...] but its time has passed. Look at the
traffic volume trend on this group, for instance.</span></blockquote>
Well... sure... Or how about you look at ACTUAL USAGE of the
protocol, as recorded on the APRS-IS backbone (bytes AFTER xz
compression, 12 mo per year):</p>
<p>2016: 990876Â 950440Â 1074916Â 1082188Â 1158920Â 1070900Â
1107124Â 1106744Â 1101384Â 1117568Â 1100308Â 1133752<br>
2017: 1135448Â 1099604Â 1244516Â 1297956Â 1323328Â 1258668Â
1296148Â 1317384Â 1280776Â 1358960Â 1308428Â 1357144<br>
2018: 1371440Â 1272112Â 1429884Â 1496916Â 1508972Â 1461172Â
1517968Â 1599108Â 1556256Â 1644676Â 1592424Â 1682396<br>
2019: 1749404Â 1613256Â 1850576Â 1799320Â 1896356Â 1842444Â
1889712Â 1897260Â 1851056Â 1956880Â 1803724Â 1929232<br>
2020: 2004992Â 1923664Â 2059592Â 2069212Â 2243348Â 2157612Â
2300872Â 2298624Â 2339300Â 2360517(*)<br>
(*) 2020-10 estimated based on 1751352 bytes(.xz) for 23/31 days
of data<br>
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<p>Looks like that has steadily climbed, month after month, year
after year, and seems to be showing no sign of slowing down, not
even particularly impacted by COVID. "time has passed" you say? Â
:-D</p>
<p>Nick VA3NNW<br>
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