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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The only reason I posted on this list, is that EV’s make great emergency field power systems. Many can provide emergency power for up to a week. And can recharge from solar panels. Its all in the new ARRL book: <a href="http://aprs.org/Energy-Choices.html">http://aprs.org/Energy-Choices.html</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">> "Cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain"? </p><p class="MsoNormal">> I thought you were talking about a Tesla. </p><p class="MsoNormal">>You can buy (and insure) a half dozen little 40mpg </p><p class="MsoNormal">> economy cars for the price of a Tesla.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">More than half the 42 EV’s now on the market cost less (with incentives) than the $35k average gas car. See <a href="http://aprs.org/Energy/EV/EV-costs-color-c.pdf">http://aprs.org/Energy/EV/EV-costs-color-c.pdf</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">53% of the 42 EVs (including plugin hybrids) now have more than 350 mile range for trips too:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="http://aprs.org/Energy/EV/EV-ranges-color-b.pdf">http://aprs.org/Energy/EV/EV-ranges-color-b.pdf</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It’s a whole new world of emergency power resources. Worth looking at the next time you get another car.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob, Wb4aPR</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 06:50 Robert Bruninga <<a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu">bruninga@usna.edu</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">True! No one says an EV is best for every need. The purpose of EV’s is to provide an alternative for the 95% of US vehicle transportation that is just wasting fossil fuels doing local daily miles that can be done better, faster, cleaner and cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain. For the other applications such as you describe (about 5% of the average national transportation need), of course a fossil fuel wins hands down. Each individual need is unique and there are now all kinds of options from massive diesel trucks, to simple EV commuter cars. Each person chooses what best meets his need. Bob</span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Stordahl AE5E via aprssig<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] Tesla Field Day mode (or any EV/Hybrid)</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"We have a much better situation around here"</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">We have truck stops with diesel fuel. I drove my Ford Excursion Diesel home, with a bunch of skiers once, from Bozeman Montana to Thief River Falls Minnesota one winter night when it was 20 below zero. Only had to stop in Dickinson North Dakota (7 hours 500 miles) to fuel up and get some grub. Just another 400 miles to get home by daylight. Nice and warm, with heated seats! All our ski equipment, luggage and emergency supplies fit nicely in the back. My Kenwood D710 was putting out APRS spots and worked a little HF DX on my old Icom 706 with no ignition interference at all! </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> If I had seen some Tesla's stalled with dead batteries I would have been happy to rescue the occupants from freezing to death, assuming they could lower their pride to ride in an internal combustion engine vehicle. I bet they would have jumped at the chance!</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I am old and I can't recall a colder winter with more snow than this one. Off my driveway I have snow piled up 15 feet. I could sell lift tickets! I would welcome global warming. Its not happening. Forecast tonight is for 35 below wind chills. An ice age seems more likely. </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <span style="color:#1f497d">D</span>o they have snowplows for 4 wheel drive Tesla's? Or do you have to pay double for two vehicles..one for showing off and a second for survival? </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Today there is no wind at all, the blades are not turning, it is completely overcast, with limited visibility, the solar panels are at zero volts. Thankfully the lignite coal fired generators in North Dakota are churning out electricity nicely so we will survive.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> I am doing my part by turning down the heat to 60 degrees at home so you know I care! </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> Ron, AE5E</span></p></div></div><div id="m_1473834678817404457yahoo_quoted_2116656486"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">On Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 10:41:26 AM CST, Andre <<a href="mailto:aprs@pe1rdw.demon.nl" target="_blank">aprs@pe1rdw.demon.nl</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">We have a much better situation around here,</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">Public charging points (3x32 amp 240 v) are free to get installed for </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">any company or city if they can show proof of demand, the charge net </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">provider forks the bill because they will be the ones to get the profit.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">charging cost is about 20 eurocent per kwh with the average EV using </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">about 10 kwh per 100 km it would be less then 2 euro per day without </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">charging at home.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">Now comes the best part, with both smart charging and V2G enabled and </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">the charge network participating in grid balancing auctions, the EV </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">owner gets a cut back from the charging company and the employer does </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">not have to do anything for it except request the number of charging </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">points that are needed free of cost.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">The employer would not gain anything here from doing it themselfs as we </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">do not have peak demand charges, they just pay for the max they can </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">draw, be it 3x80 amp 240v for a small dedicated line or a 3x32amp 10 kv </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">line and the amount actually used, the max capacity also counts for </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">delivering back, afterall the components do not care what way the </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">current flows.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a"> 73 de Andre PE1RDW</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">On 2/25/19 6:10 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> V2G charging and grid management:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> I think this Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) concept will never take off, simply</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> because it cannot work unless the cars are plugged-in all day. This WILL</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> work if workplaces do employee charging the right way, that is, with rows</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> and rows of parking spaces with simple 120v outlets. During an 8 hour</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> work day, the average EV can gain up to 30 miles of daily range to</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> replenish their incoming commute while costing about 50 cents a day.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> But since so few "employers" have any EV experience, they opt for very</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> expensive $5000 Level 2 chargers instead of a $15 outlet from Home Depot.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> As a result, these big expensive chargers have to be shared throughout the</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> day, require expensive internet and credit card connectivity and</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> management and each person that plugs in only for an hour or so has to</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> move their car every hour or so and does not want any of his electricity</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> to go back to the grid, he wants the charge!</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> But with every car plugged into a 120v outlet (the right way), the</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> employer can use that fixed daily load to balance his dynamic load and</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> thereby actually reduce his peak-demand charges. And the financial</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> benefit of demand-response loading can likely exceed the 50 cents a day to</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> charge an EV and so most likely allow the employer to provide the charging</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> for FREE.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> It's a win-win. Every EV gets a pretty good commuter charge per day for</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> low cost or free, the employer saves electric bill money by managing peak</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> demand, and the grid wins by reducing dynamic demand.. And all of this is</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> accomplished without ever having to use V2G and all its inherent social</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> negativity.</span><span style="color:#1f497d"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> Its an exciting new world of energy. If people will just wake up to the</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> potential...</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282a">> Bob, WB4APR</span><span style="color:#1f497d"></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>