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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/2018 7:51 PM, Lynn W.
Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">One of my software mantras: Naming
can make or break a project!<br>
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Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
Win32<br>
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On 8/2/2018 5:55 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">YES,
I confused things. The place to put the frequency and
callsign and other info in an OBJECT is in the “comment”
field of the position data.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Then
we came up with the more efficient Mic-E format in 1995 or
so and confused everyone by calling the 7 pre-selected
status bits as COMMENTs, and called what was the Position
comment field relabeled as STATUS, Argh!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So
yes, the added info goes into the comment field for an
object and goes into the “status” field when using an APRS
radio that transmits the Mic-E protocol.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks
for the catch.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob,
Wb4aPR</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Randy Love <<a href="mailto:rlove31@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">rlove31@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Bruninga <<a
href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">bruninga@usna.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:hamfestgroup@w2mmd.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">hamfestgroup@w2mmd.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] APRS for your Hamfest</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I didn't think auto-tune worked from
the STATUS message packets, only in the comment part of a
beacon, or as an object.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I could be wrong tho.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Randy</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:27 PM,
Robert Bruninga <<a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu"
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<p class="m-8960277427084243858msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">Ø</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
just read your post regarding Using APRS for
Hamfest Support. </span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://aprs.org/hamfest.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://aprs.org/hamfest.html</a></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Yes,
you want two things. A “HAMFSTxxx” Object say
once an hour on the map for a week or so leading
up to the event. And then for the TALKIN
station to have an APRS display in front of him
so he can SEE people driving to the event who
might call in.</span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">For
the HAMFST object, </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You
want an object that appears on the map as
“HAMFSTxxx”. You can use any APRS software or
radio to do this. You want to start
transmitting it at least once an hour for the
week or so leading up to the event. Maybe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Since
every hamfest in the world will be using the
same object name “HFEST-xxx” you want to choose
xxx to be unique so it doesn’t pingpong all over
the world. That all fits in the 9 character
field limitation for an object.</span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Use
an APRS client that is on the air continuously
to post the object.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Another
way without requiring an APRS base station is to
just use an APRS radio (no attached APRS
software) to generate the object, then only the
new Kenwood THD74 can actually generate an
object. But you can cheat and use any other
APRS radio to generate the object, but WITHOUT
the xxx. Because you will change the callsign
of the radio to HAMFST-xx where xx is now the
SSID number from 1 to 15 and “HAMFST” is the 6
character call. This still makes it unique, but
then if everyone that is going to have a weekend
hamfest on the 15<sup>th</sup>, uses 15, then it
is not unique at all. SO make something up.</span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And
to make that fake callsign(object) legal, be
sure to put the legal callsign in the STATUS
text. In the status text is where you can say …
“WNXYZ, on 16 Sept” for example.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Then
the other thing is to be sure that your TALKIN
also has a PC in front of him. And that the
callsign of that station is TALKIN and be sure
to put the repeater frequency in the STATUS
text in the format 146.940MHz de WBXYZ so that
all mobiles can auto-tune to that frequency
easily while driving.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
HAMFST object ideas all use the object formats
on the web page:</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a
href="http://aprs.org/localinfo.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://aprs.org/localinfo.html</a>
which is a firehose of information </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob,
WB4aPR</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:hamfestgroup@w2mmd.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hamfestgroup@w2mmd.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:hamfestgroup@w2mmd.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hamfestgroup@w2mmd.org</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:37
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:wb4apr@amsat.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wb4apr@amsat.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> APRS for our Hamfest</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Good
Afternoon,</span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
just read your excellent blog post regarding
Using APRS for Hamfest Support. The
Gloucester County Amateur Radio Club will be
hosting the ARRL Southern New Jersey Section
Convention and Hamfest on Sunday, September
16, 2018. This will be the 40<sup>th</sup>anniversary
of our Hamfest. I am interested in using APRS
for promotion of this event. Where can I find
information on the mechanics of posting this
event on aprs.if? Or is there another way to
do this. I do have a ZUMSPOT and noticed it
can post APRS locations. I wonder if we can
use our club call sign to post the site of the
hamfest?</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
for any help you can offer.</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Mark
H. Gottlieb, WA2DIY</span></p>
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