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--></style></head><body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The idea in APRS is real-time.  So users typically just choose a symbol that conveys the meaning most immediately appropriate that they want to convey.   It can be what kind of rail vehicle one is on, or I might use the “terminal” overlay while I am sitting in the train terminal from 10PM to when the train leaves at 5 AM (while dozing).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">On the APRS radios it is trivial to dial in as the meaning of the symbol may be changing during a trip.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Greg D <<a href="mailto:ko6th.greg@gmail.com">ko6th.greg@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Bruninga <<a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu">bruninga@usna.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] AMTRAK mobile ... symbol overlays</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Bob,<br><br>How do you intend for one to choose among terms that can be combined?  For example, one could have a Diesel Freight train or a Steam Hyperloop (88mph, anyone?).  Does sUbway refer to the train or the station?<br><br>Just curious to understand the use cases,<br><br>Greg  KO6TH<br><br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Robert Bruninga wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">An update:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">RAIL Symbols: #=</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">/= = generic train (use steam engine shape for quick recognition)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">\= = tbd    (use same symbol for now)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">B= = Bus-rail/trolley/streetcar/guiderail</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">C= = Commuter</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">D= = Diesel</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">E= = Electric</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">F= = Freight</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">G= = Gondola</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">H= = High Speed Rail (& Hyperloop)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I= = Inclined Rail</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">L= = eLevated</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">M= = Monorail</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">P= = Passenger</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">S= = Steam</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">T= = Terminal (station)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">U= = sUbway </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">X= = eXcursion</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">See:  <a href="http://aprs.org/symbols/symbols-new.txt">http://aprs.org/symbols/symbols-new.txt</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob, WB4aPR</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> aprssig <<a href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org">aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karl W4KRL<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 16, 2018 2:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] AMTRAK mobile from DC to Minneapolis via Toledo Oh</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">May I suggest keeping a low number of rail-related symbols: steam, diesel, electric, passenger, commuter, excursion, and freight.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">This past weekend I made a round-trip from Manassas to Roanoke with tracking by APRSdroid on my cell phone. Connectivity was by T-Mobile and Amtrak Wi-Fi. Here is a partially successful attempt to display the trip on Google Maps:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EfcC0uOPMVag5lWz2dohDVxXS1n6LzEK&usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EfcC0uOPMVag5lWz2dohDVxXS1n6LzEK&usp=sharing</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The data was exported from <a href="http://aprs.fi">aprs.fi</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><a href="https://aprs.fi/#%21mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FW4KRL-4&timerange=259200&tail=259200">https://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FW4KRL-4&timerange=259200&tail=259200</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><img border="0" width="100" height="100" style="width:1.0416in;height:1.0416in" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D41DD3.E35A7C10" alt="Image
              removed by sender."></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New ;color:blue",serif">73 Karl W4KRL</span></b></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Andrew AB9FX <<a href="mailto:ab9fx@aprs.pl" target="_blank">ab9fx@aprs.pl</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I think there are different factors to specify a train category, mainly: type of engine, and type of operation. Which are universal for all the world. Beside of these factors there are operators which are almost uncountable around the world.<br><br>Locomotive Engine:<br>Steam, Diesel, Electric.<br><br>Train category:<br>Commuter, subway, city transportation, suburb, long distance, sleeping, express, high speed, special event, freight, shunting, armored, etc.<br>Across European countries, very common are following categories of passenger trains: InterCity, ICE (InterCity Express), EC (EuroCity), Regio, InterRegio, Night Train.<br><br>73<br><span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:#888888">Andrew AB9FX</span></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>aprssig mailing list<br><a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org" target="_blank">http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org</a></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>aprssig mailing list</pre><pre><a href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org">aprssig@lists.tapr.org</a></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org">http://lists.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig_lists.tapr.org</a></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></body></html>