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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ev,<br>
Not true.<br>
A. Cell get the power inductively from the lines.<br>
B. Site to site is using the power lines as 60g waveguide<br>
C. Site to home/business endpoint is via 5g.<br>
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Without the "wires" they would not have the 60g waveguide, nor
would they have a source for inductive power.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
KC5EVE<br>
On 12/16/2017 4:46 AM, Ev Tupis wrote:<br>
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<div>In a nutshell, these are simply femto-cells that are linked
to eachother via and RF backbone. No reliance on wires at
all. The only association that they have to power lines is
that they are co-located on utility poles. -Ev<br>
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<div> On Friday, December 15, 2017, 8:12:07 PM EST, Gregg
Wonderly <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregg@wonderly.org"><gregg@wonderly.org></a> wrote: </div>
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<div>I mean microwave and up high frequencies. It
sounds like 60g based on the other reply. If so, then
high power wave guide binding to the copper wire would
be possible and it would be extremely clean of RFI it
would seem.
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<div class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">Gregg<br
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<div class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">On Dec 15,
2017, at 7:02 PM, <a
href="mailto:noskosteve@yahoo.com"
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rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">noskosteve@yahoo.com</a>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254"><span
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class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">There's no
guarantee that journalist knows that high
frequency means HF.<br
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Regards, Steve Noskowicz K9DCI<br
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Science & Technical Advisor<br
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From my tablet.</span><span
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-------- Original Message --------<br
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From:Gregg Wonderly<span
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Sent:Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:50:46 -0600<br
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To:Brian Webster<span
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Cc:<a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org"
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rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br
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Subject:Re: [aprssig] It's Baaack BPL -
Broadband Over Powerlines<br
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</span><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;"
class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">That is not
what I see. The first part of the article
talks specifically about high frequency
signals over copper wire. If they go high
enough in frequency, the radiation into the
atmosphere will be short lived, and the can
use higher voltages to get longer distances.
The second part of the article talks about
additional work on using RF to the home
instead of physical fiber so that they can
maintain their work within the right-of-ways
and not have to run anything physical to
your home, where trees and other debris end
up destroying services in weather events.</span><br
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<span
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class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">Gregg</span><br
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<span
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class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">> On Dec
14, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Brian Webster<span
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><span
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> This is not BPL, they are just mounting
radios above the power space on utility lines.
They are not modulating any signals over the
power grid.<br
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><span
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> Thank You,<br
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> Brian N2KGC<br
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> -----Original Message-----<br
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> From: aprssig [<a
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On Behalf Of Nick VA3NNW<br
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:26
AM<br class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">
> To:<span
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> Subject: Re: [aprssig] It's Baaack BPL -
Broadband Over Powerlines<br
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><span
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> Stephen H. Smith wrote:<br
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>> [...] AT&T begins testing
high-speed internet over power lines [...]<span
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>><span
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>>
igh-speed-internet-over-power-lines-idUSKBN1E70GB><br
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><span
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><span
class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254Apple-converted-space"> </span>Honestly?
Can't kill this zombie? I thought fibre to the
home was finally going to put this one to bed
- you can push far more bandwidth down a glass
pipe than a copper one anyway, with far less
interference to OR FROM people like us,
emergency services, radio astronomy, etc, not
to mention better EMP resiliency.<br
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><span
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><span
class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254Apple-converted-space"> </span>Perhaps
FTTH isn't easy enough to wiretap? :-(<br
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><span
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><span
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VA3NNW<br class="ydp4e389564yiv0694304254">
><span
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><span
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><span
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Nick Waterman, VA3NNW/G7RZQ, K2 #5209.<br
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