<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I mean microwave and up high frequencies.  It sounds like 60g based on the other reply.  If so, then high power wave guide binding to the copper wire would be possible and it would be extremely clean of RFI it would seem.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gregg<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 15, 2017, at 7:02 PM, <a href="mailto:noskosteve@yahoo.com" class="">noskosteve@yahoo.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14pt;" class="">There's no guarantee that journalist knows that high frequency means HF.<br class=""><br class="">Regards, Steve Noskowicz K9DCI<br class="">Science & Technical Advisor<br class=""><br class="">From my tablet.</span><span style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Arial;" class=""><br class=""><br class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">From:Gregg Wonderly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><gregg@wonderly.org class=""><br class="">Sent:Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:50:46 -0600<br class="">To:Brian Webster<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><info@wirelessmapping.com class=""><br class="">Cc:<a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" class="">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br class="">Subject:Re: [aprssig] It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines<br class=""><br class=""></info@wirelessmapping.com></gregg@wonderly.org></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">That is not what I see. The first part of the article talks specifically about high frequency signals over copper wire. If they go high enough in frequency, the radiation into the atmosphere will be short lived, and the can use higher voltages to get longer distances. The second part of the article talks about additional work on using RF to the home instead of physical fiber so that they can maintain their work within the right-of-ways and not have to run anything physical to your home, where trees and other debris end up destroying services in weather events.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Gregg</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> On Dec 14, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Brian Webster<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><info@wirelessmapping.com style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> This is not BPL, they are just mounting radios above the power space on utility lines. They are not modulating any signals over the power grid.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Thank You,<br class="">> Brian N2KGC<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> -----Original Message-----<br class="">> From: aprssig [<a href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org" class="">mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>] On Behalf Of Nick VA3NNW<br class="">> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:26 AM<br class="">> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" class="">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br class="">> Subject: Re: [aprssig] It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Stephen H. Smith wrote:<br class="">>> [...] AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines [...]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><https: www.reuters.com="" article="" us-at-t-internet="" att-begins-testing-h="" class=""><br="" class="">>> igh-speed-internet-over-power-lines-idUSKBN1E70GB><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Honestly? Can't kill this zombie? I thought fibre to the home was finally going to put this one to bed - you can push far more bandwidth down a glass pipe than a copper one anyway, with far less interference to OR FROM people like us, emergency services, radio astronomy, etc, not to mention better EMP resiliency.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Perhaps FTTH isn't easy enough to wiretap? :-(<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nick VA3NNW<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>--<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"Nosey" Nick Waterman, VA3NNW/G7RZQ, K2 #5209.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>use Std::Disclaimer; <a href="mailto:sig@noseynick.net" class="">sig@noseynick.net</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sauron is alive in Argentina!<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>_______________________________________________<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>aprssig mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" class="">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>_______________________________________________<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>aprssig mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>aprssig@tapr.org<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">aprssig mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" class="">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig" class="">http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a></br=""></https:></info@wirelessmapping.com></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>