<div dir="ltr">Unless I'm guaranteed a place to charge my car at the destination, I won't consider travelling farther than 1/2 of my EV car's range -- I can't even count on that at work -- and it's a very proactive EV friendly company. (rant: I wish that the Tesla owners would stop taking advantage of the close-in parking spots). But -- I love my Chevy Spark for my daily 40 mile round trip commute!<div><br></div><div>Greg K7RKT</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Greg D <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ko6th.greg@gmail.com" target="_blank">ko6th.greg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Wow, "legal magic" at its finest.<br>
<br>
Is there a coin slot on the toaster and microwave oven in the break<br>
room? Or do the employees get an itemized "toasted bagel allowance" in<br>
their yearly benefits report?<br>
<br>
This is making my head hurt. Somebody is trying too hard with the wrong<br>
objective.<br>
<br>
Greg KO6TH<br>
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KF4LVZ wrote:<br>
> It was explained to us that various documents combine via legal-magic to<br>
> become a form of theft from the government (specifically<br>
> misappropriation of government resources).<br>
><br>
> The first case: A simple outlet available for plugging in a car would<br>
> mean stealing electricity/equivalent value because there's no means to<br>
> meter it and bill for it directly by the government. The consumption of<br>
> the car exceeds "incidental use" limits. We don't know the limit but<br>
> cell phones are under the limit where the cost of checking exceeds the<br>
> loss so they don't bother to check. However, we asked and technically<br>
> charging a personal phone at work does run afoul of the same rules.<br>
><br>
> The second case: The kiosk-style chargers with credit-card readers<br>
> apparently didn't work either because they have a standby/operating<br>
> power that isn't billed to the customer (or when there's no one there<br>
> charging) and it ends up being a cost to the government again (no meter<br>
> on the kiosk and no billing method to get money back from the kiosk<br>
> operator).<br>
><br>
> To cite an example, an employee was charging their electric scooter<br>
> using an outdoor outlet on one of the buildings (an ordinary outlet most<br>
> likely for use by maintenance crews). The employee was warned not to do<br>
> that again for the above reason.<br>
><br>
> As for the program to encourage purchase with a tax credit, the reason<br>
> that is acceptable would be that the tax credit comes from money the<br>
> person would otherwise be paying to the government (since it comes off<br>
> of your 1040 when you calculate taxes owed). No other taxpayer paid<br>
> your specific credit. However, charging your car incurs a cost by using<br>
> electricity. That electricity cost adds to the operating costs of the<br>
> facility and is eventually paid by the government through tax money<br>
> collected from all taxpayers.<br>
><br>
> On 2017-04-05 18:10, Greg D wrote:<br>
>> This one is news to me. What is the rationale for not being allowed to have EV<br>
>> charging? How can the Feds have programs that encourage the purchase of EVs<br>
>> (e.g. tax credits), but disallow their use? The mind boggles.<br>
>><br>
>> Greg KO6TH<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> KF4LVZ wrote:<br>
>>>> > ...in a government facility, it turns out you*can't* have a station...<br>
>>>>> After years of letter writing that has changed! The Federal Policy now is to<br>
>>>>> let any EV pluginto any available outlet for a fixed paymend of about $15 per<br>
>>>>> month. And local agencies can even use existing maintenance funds to install<br>
>>>>> additional standard 120v oiutlets.<br>
>>> That doesn't appear to have trickled down to all agencies. The one I<br>
>>> work for has already stated they're still not allowed to add charging<br>
>>> stations and were told to remove the ones that were in place.<br>
>>><br>
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