<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">#3, and 5: see <a href="http://www.tapr.org/pipermail/aprssig/2008-November/027554.html">http://www.tapr.org/pipermail/aprssig/2008-November/027554.html</a></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">7. Where did this 67 character limit on messages come from?</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">This is a question for Bob.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html">http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">He was counting, like this:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><pre style="word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">> 1234567890------------============------------=========(D7)</pre></pre></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://www.aprs.org/ande/ANDEfirmware.txt" style="white-space:pre-wrap">http://www.aprs.org/ande/ANDEfirmware.txt</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">BText (B): >ANDE alt._channel.__US_Naval_Academy <== REV-2
> Note, Underscores are used for BLANK characetrs here in
> this spec to clearly indicate the exact number of spaces
> The spacing is such to fit well on the Kenwood D7 display</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="http://www.cbradio.cz/doc/_HAM/Kenwood/TH-D7/aprs.pdf" style="font-family:georgia,serif">http://www.cbradio.cz/doc/_HAM/Kenwood/TH-D7/aprs.pdf</a><br></pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><pre style="word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">Says Max. 45 Characters - that is old, but that's not it.<br></pre><pre style="word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="http://aprs.qrz.ru/hard/th-d72/d/TH-D72A-brochures-eng-4.pdf" style="font-family:georgia,serif">http://aprs.qrz.ru/hard/th-d72/d/TH-D72A-brochures-eng-4.pdf</a><br></pre></pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);white-space:normal;font-family:georgia,serif">Has: Messaging • Messages: up to 100 (max. 67 characters each)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);white-space:normal;font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div></pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">maybe, but I like this purpose-built device:</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="http://www.aprs.pl/hh2.htm">http://www.aprs.pl/hh2.htm</a><br></pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">4x20, but it does 20 characters, then scrolls.</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">hmm.</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="http://www.aprs.org/dcc1998.html">http://www.aprs.org/dcc1998.html</a><br></pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">I didn't get licensed til 10 years later...</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">Steve?<br></pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">I should be at work already.</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">73,</pre><pre style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">.ja.</pre></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div>So my questions:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Do we still want RF-gates including consumed hops in third-party packets, or is that deprecated in favor of the "}[SRCCALL]>[TNCID],[<wbr>NETWORKID],[IGATECALL]*:" 42 byte format? (If we're going to clarify that as being deprecated, we should probably include AEA format while we're at it)</div><div><br></div><div>2. Are there any other Network IDs in actual use except for TCPIP for APRS-IS? (Remember that TCPXX is already deprecated)</div><div><br></div><div>3. Where did all of these different lengths for comment fields come from?!</div><div><br></div><div>4. Do we want to consider loosening up the maximum packet length for some of these data types? </div><div><br></div><div>The way I figure, we could support 197 byte messages for APRS Messages. This is going to break sending long-winded messages to many devices, but 67 is awfully restrictive compared to modern features like SMS... Clearly new software is deliberately constraining fields based on the spec. I'll need to test length limits on the D700 I've got sitting on my bench. </div><div><br></div><div>5. Does anyone happen to know the actual length limits on messaging for various devices out in the wild already?</div><div><br></div><div>6. If not messaging, do we want to loosen some of the comment fields? 23 bytes for the BITS. Project Title seems like a strong contender for first to consider. Remember that we're talking about bytes here, not characters; many non-English languages using UTF-8 can burn through 23 bytes very quickly, so I'm talking about making Project Titles allowed up to something CRAZY like 190 so length just isn't an issue anymore.</div><div><br></div><div>7. Where did this 67 character limit on messages come from?! This really bothers me now.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div class="gmail-m_-5702922053255815816gmail_signature">--<br>Kenneth Finnegan, W6KWF<br><a href="http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/" target="_blank">http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.<wbr>com/</a></div></div>
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