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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The backbone and users access ports
      should absolutely be on different bands/frequencies.<br>
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      73-KY9K/Brian<br>
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      On 5/6/2016 17:00, Robert Bruninga via aprssig wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            looked around at 900 MHz and 6m, but then realized that the
            whole point was to build a 9600 baud network that could be
            used  by EVERYONE with existing APRS integrated radios that
            have built in 9600 baud TNC’s.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It
            wouldn’t make sense to build a backbone that required all
            new radios and equipment to use.  We’d have no users in an
            emergency…</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">SO
            now I am pretty much sold on the idea of 2 meters.  Its that
            or UHF, but UHF between omnis takes almost 9 dB more link
            power/budget.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            also did the math for solar powered nodes and it is on my
            new page: </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
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              href="http://aprs.org/ec9600net.html"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://aprs.org/ec9600net.html">http://aprs.org/ec9600net.html</a></a></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Looks
            like a 20Watt solar panel and 7 Ahr gelcel is a start using
            the KPC-9612 and one of the $150 digital radios from argent…</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Photos
            on the page…</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bob,
            WB4aPR</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                Robert Bruninga [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu">bruninga@usna.edu</a>]
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                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:29 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu">bruninga@usna.edu</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> The East will Rise again! (at 9600?)</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">SAVE
            your KPC9612’s Boys, the East will RISE AGAIN!</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
            Golden Packet team is toying with the idea of making our
            annual Appalachian mountain digipeater string from Maine to
            Georgia permament and making it a 9600 baud network for
            emergency and ham radio disaster response and play.  We
            already have 3 of the 14 sites with approval for
            installations…</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Lets
            face it, traditional packet networks are dead and although
            APRS is alive and well, it is specific and only operates at
            1200 baud.  Although all fully integrated APRS radios work
            perfectly well at 1200 and 9600 baud, all of the existing
            APRS network is 1200 because all the digipeaters (not
            integrated APRS radios) operate at 1200 and the majority of
            all home APRS stations and IGates use TNC’s that operate at
            1200.  A huge legacy.  Besides, going to 9600 only barely
            doubles APRS speeds while degrading link reliability.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So,
            since we have already shown for 6 years now, that this long
            2000 mile linear chain of mountains and valleys can support
            a 2000 mile network with only 14 digis,  why not establish a
            long haul 9600 baud Node chain from Maine to Georgia which
            could be a significant boost to Packet radio emergency
            operations. The network would not operate as APRS
            digipeaters but as KAnodes.   As we all knew back in the
            1990’s link-by-link acknowledgment was vastly superior to
            end-to-end. </span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We
            already have three sites in MD, and PA …  But we need more
            than hikers, to get us access to some existing ham radio
            maintained sites.  We do NOT want nodes to branch off down
            into the plains.  These nodes would bog down the network. 
            No, the main backbone would be to support emergency
            operations with beams that can point up to the mountains to
            pass traffic.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So,
            we are splashing this onto the APRSSIG to see if people have
            SITE access and/or have unused 9600 baud KPC-9612’s to step
            up and lets see what we got.  Also will need a freq.  I’m
            thinking 145.01 but every time I think of it, people give
            feedback, and I LOSE or forget the feedback as to what
            existing systems are already on 145.01, such as DX clusters,
            etc…</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Every
            day we get MORE AND MORE addicted to our wireless
            infrastructure, which we all know, will be hard to access in
            a real emergency.  We need to keep the Ham radio Plan-B
            alive…</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bob,
            WB4APR</span></p>
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