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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think we all agree that HABs should not use abusive paths or beacon rates.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>However, the reality is that many of these balloon launch teams are populated with inexperienced hams who simply are not aware of how the APRS network works or how their HABs impact the network. Those of who do have considerable experience have a responsibility to educate the balloon teams. Discussion of abusive balloon launches occasionally pops up in online APRS communities. But, we have to keep in mind that we are preaching to the choir. Typically, these balloon teams don’t hang out in APRS groups or reflectors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jason is quite correct. While the balloon launch may seriously impact the APRS network for the time the balloon is in the air, that time is short and the network will get back to normal after the balloon is down. Meanwhile, we should take note of the callsign being used by the launch and attempt to reach the holder of the callsign to politely educate them about APRS networks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>BTW, in my experience, Jason does, in fact, have a clue. Berating him really doesn’t accomplish anything.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Bob…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aprssig [mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ron via aprssig<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:21 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jason KG4WSV <kg4wsv@gmail.com>; TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig@tapr.org><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [aprssig] Balloons abusing our network<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3226"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>You have no clue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3227"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>A device at 25,000 ft hits every digi within 300 MILES or more. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3612"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>Every one of those digis has to re-transmit that packet because of the path used.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3611"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>At a rate of every 30-40 seconds its abusive. (EVEN APRS.FI says so)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3577"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3576"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>Anyone who has done ballooning with APRS should have known this if they bothered to research.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3613"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3614"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>NO Hops are required above a few thousand feet and transmit rates should be set by speed, just like everyone else does in their cars.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3615"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3617"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>YOU should be glad that some people still care to maintain APRS Nodes and networks so EVERYONE can SHARE it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3618"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'>de VE1AIC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3652"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3653"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462118997727_3654"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font size=1 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:53 AM, Jason KG4WSV <<a href="mailto:kg4wsv@gmail.com">kg4wsv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font><font color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font size=3 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><br><br>> On May 1, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Ron via aprssig <<a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Today 2 balloons at the same time out of Maine are pounding our network with abusive settings that are unacceptable.<br><br>Please explain how this is significantly different from the perspective of the LOCAL network than a terrestrial station with the same settings? (Hint: practically not at all assuming your network is built correctly.)<br><br>If a single station with these settings can cause your local network significant problems you should spend some effort on fixing your local network. <br><br>> Why would a balloon at 26,000ft moving at 15kmh need to beacon every 40 seconds and use WIDE hops across our network?<br><br>To track it and get the payload back?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div id=yqtfd69558><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><br><br>> At this rate they'll be blasting our network all day long.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><br><br>A typical HAB flight lasts approximately 2 hours. <br><br>Be glad someone is doing something more useful/interesting than letting the wife track you on your way to the grocery store. <br><br>-Jason<br>kg4wsv<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div id=yqtfd24126><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font size=3 color=black face=helveticaneue><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"helveticaneue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>