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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yep, that’s a problem. So I guess we are going to need a special SATgate code.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">No matter how we do it, it will need a list of satellite calls that gets updated when new satellies are launched.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That’s all I am after is a dedicated black-box code that acts as these special satgtes.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The main objective is the numerous other countries which do not have an existing SATgate but do have a dedicated AMSAT/ARISS station for ISS communications. These operators are not necessarily packet or APRS or internet savvy, but are dedicated to keeping their tracking stations on ISS. We want to be able to send them this SATgate code, they just hook up to a TNC and radio or soundcard and turn it on.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This will probably be a SATgate in the one major city in the country and we don’t want it to create a blackhole for the few other Satllite oeprators there.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Im not asking for all IGates to support this. I only need one that is easy to set up by non APRS folks. Then it is the one we can write the system and procedures around. And get a working global APRS satellite network that wors consistently everywhere.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>Bob, WB4APR</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Kenneth Finnegan [mailto:<a href="mailto:kennethfinnegan2007@gmail.com">kennethfinnegan2007@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> John Wiseman; TAPR APRS Mailing List<br><b>Cc:</b> Robert Bruninga<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] SATgates ? (again)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:38 AM, John Wiseman via aprssig <<a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" target="_blank">aprssig@tapr.org</a>> wrote:</p><p class="MsoNormal">I've added a SATGate mode as described to the BPQ32 Igate code.<br><br>One consequence is that packets sent directly by the satellite, rather than<br>diigpeated through it, won't be Igated. Could this be an issue?</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes. That's another big reason why so many of us are advocating against this mode even being an option.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--<br>Kenneth Finnegan<br><a href="http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/" target="_blank">http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/</a></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>73,<br>John G8BPQ<br><br><br>________________________________________<br>From: aprssig [mailto:<a href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga<br>via aprssig<br>Sent: 24 January 2016 23:28<br>To: TAPR APRS Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [aprssig] SATgates ? (again)</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>I'm not trying to change the APRS-IS. I'm trying to fix the satgate problem<br>by asking any author of IGate code to include a SATgate mode that will<br>ignore direct, undigipeated packets. When any authors respond with the<br>feature, then we will have a SATgate we can recommend for people to use.<br>This is a SATgate only issue and it should not be included in terrestrial<br>operation. Terrestrial APRS network has a different objective.<br>The people that we want to set up SATgates are Satellite folks first and in<br>far corners of the world and we want to eliminate this obscure problem in<br>that application by fixing it at hte SATgate..<br>Bob, WB4APR'<br><br>On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Jason KG4WSV <<a href="mailto:kg4wsv@gmail.com">kg4wsv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Robert Bruninga via aprssig<br><<a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a>> wrote:<br>>... What you're describing is trying to use the APRS-IS as a local RF<br>analysis tool.<br>No, I'm trying to make the APRS satellites work as a useful constellation<br>and to have their integration into the APRS-IS work in a consistent manner<br>all over the world.<br><br>It does - it treats your hypothetical "satgate" just like any other Igate.<br><br> <br>I'm just trying to identify IGate code that has this SATgate mode so that we<br>can know what software to recommend for SATgate use.<br><br><br>There isn't any. But that's OK, since there isn't a special version of<br>APRS-IS stripped of deduplication running in your hypothetical "satgate"<br>mode to connect them to.<br><br>This is exactly the same non-problem as using APRS-IS for RF propagation<br>analysis. APRS-IS simply isn't designed for that, and the way it is<br>designed actively prevents its use in that manner.<br><br>-Jason<br>kg4wsv<br><br></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>aprssig mailing list<br><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br><a href="http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig" target="_blank">http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div></body></html>