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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Great words Ev. APRS is a fantastic tool when one is out actually doing something! </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But many of those that DO things, haven’t caught on as to how APRS (like 146.52 is to voice) can do things for their events too. Bob, WB4aPR</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ev Tupis [mailto:<a href="mailto:w2ev@yahoo.com">w2ev@yahoo.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Bruninga; <a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a>; TAPR APRS Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] VHF Rover symbol?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4703"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Ouch. This one touched a nerve for me. A brief reminder of the chain of events...then your answer...</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5056"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5055"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">In the early days of APRS, I was (and still am) a VHF contester ... who saw the value of APRS tracking to the VHF contesting community. So I lobbied for (and received your agreement) the addition of the "Rover" (Little Puppy) map symbol.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5096"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5149"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">To make my vision complete, I also lobbied for the use of the "RFONLY" alias. It was also agreed to and implemented.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5624"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5661"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">About the same time, I lobbied for (and lost) a QSY to 147.585 instead of 144.39. It would have allowed the greatest separation between Rover use of 144.2 SSB/CW and the new APRS frequency. Onward...</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5150"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5151"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">The combination of the Rover Symbol and RFONLY made way for the use of APRS technology on a *simplex* frequency. 147.585 was chosen anyway. No digipeating, no IGATE-ing. No "assistance". Rovers sat on high locations and were encouraged to use 100-watt transmitters. Perfectly aligned with ARRL rules as they stood 20+ years ago.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5219"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5274"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Fun and excitement began to brew in the contesting community. Right up to the point where the ARRL's Dan Henderson (Contest Manager) and Tom Freye (Chair of the committee it reports to) ignorantly said it violated ARRL rules. They later recanted after I challenged them, but not until after the damage was done.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5275"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5276"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Is it used today? Yes, somewhat. Sadly, today's ARRL rules to include digipeated APRS were poorly thought out and it (APRS) is of only limited use to the VHF community.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5715"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5744"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Last chapter to this story...I recently rejoined the APRS list *specifically* to lurk to see if there was any opportunity for me to rekindle interest in the VHF contesting community via APRS.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5368"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5580"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Ev, W2EV</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5581"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">ex-WB2ELB, K2IV</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5582"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4646"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4645"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4700"><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Robert Bruninga via aprssig <<a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 29, 2015 8:01 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [aprssig] VHF Rover symbol?</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4644"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p><div id="yiv6378426804"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4643"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4642"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4655"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Does anyone use the ROVER (a dog) symbol for VHF Conteest Rovers?</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_4641"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5476"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">That was my original intent, but it may not have caught on.</span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435611386713_5477"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Bob</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>_______________________________________________<br>aprssig mailing list<br><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br><a href="http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig" target="_blank">http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a><br><br></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>