<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201562" dir="ltr">"The raw packet shows plainly that it was gated directly and not via the <br clear="none">satellite" Unless your igate happens to hear your own beacon, then it looks like you just sent a beacon direct to the aprs-is. I like your idea of "NoGate ME" except when there are no other igate that heard the packet.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201590" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201607" dir="ltr">A separate APRS-ISS would be nice and one or two servers should be able to handle the load easily with each other as a backup.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">There has to be a solution to these problems with reinventing the wheel.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201608" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201609" dir="ltr">Max KG4PID<br> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201358" style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201357" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201379" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201396"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201380" face="Arial" size="2"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201404"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201403" style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) via aprssig <aprssig@tapr.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig@tapr.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 8, 2015 10:29 AM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201402"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201401" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [aprssig] Correct PSAT & igating<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_201356"><br clear="none">The raw packet shows plainly that it was gated directly and not via the <br clear="none">satellite, so it's not a "false position" nor is it "misleading" to <br clear="none">those that understand paths and used path components.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">However, the biggest issue with locally gating packets attempting to <br clear="none">bounce through one of the APRS satellites is that the APRS-IS <br clear="none">(correctly) dupe-suppresses any reception of the digipeated packet <br clear="none">because the original packet was directly gated.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hacking the APRS-IS server software to solve this "problem" I don't <br clear="none">believe is a good long-term solution. Hacking the received packets to <br clear="none">make them unique is also a disaster waiting to happen.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What I think we need is for someone to put up a firenet-type APRS-IS <br clear="none">server to which SatGates can connect that logs ALL received packets and <br clear="none">does not do any dupe suppression. The packets can be fed into the <br clear="none">normal APRS-IS for global visibility (and dupe-suppressed), but those <br clear="none">that want to see their raw packets would have a place to look.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It would require SatGate operators to change their APRS-IS server, but <br clear="none">there's few enough of those (currently) that it shouldn't be very difficult.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Just my $0.02 for whatever it's worth these days.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt9533679368" id="yqtfd75743"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">aprssig mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>