<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212550" dir="ltr">Kenneth, maybe you are missing the point. I do this for fun and to prove to myself that I can do it. I don't do it to prove anything to anyone else. And to add an sgate mode to aprx is hardly crippling it when it solves problems.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212605" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212606" dir="ltr">Max KG4PID<br> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212555" style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212554" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212553" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212608"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Kenneth Finnegan via aprssig <aprssig@tapr.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> la3qma@aprs.la <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig@tapr.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 8, 2015 10:55 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [aprssig] Correct PSAT & igating<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433624546349_212607"><br>> So for regular terrestrial APRS use i agree that this is not something APRX<br clear="none">> should do differently. But for satellites it's a bit different as "direct"<br clear="none">> positions are a false position and has gone directly to an IGATE and not via<br clear="none">> "space".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It seems like the issue comes down to whether or not the APRSAT<br clear="none">constellation is motivated by the idea that bouncing an APRS packet<br clear="none">through a satellite is a novelty, or if the constellation is motivated<br clear="none">by the idea that being able to have satellite-like coverage for APRS<br clear="none">would be useful for users.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If I was beaconing on 145.825MHz because I felt that I really needed<br clear="none">satellite-like coverage, artificially reducing APRS coverage by<br clear="none">dropping any direct I-gates is a bad idea. If I'm beaconing on<br clear="none">145.825MHz because I want to get credit for bouncing a packet off a<br clear="none">satellite, I either need to accomplish a QSO with another user to get<br clear="none">a postcard certifying that I have bounced a packet off a satellite, or<br clear="none">just manually copy the packet out of my RF log and paste it on<br clear="none">Twitter.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you want to try and build an entire separate APRS network for<br clear="none">satellites, so be it, but I'm not supporting crippling I-gates to<br clear="none">ensure that you get the street cred for bouncing a packet off a<br clear="none">satellite in an automated fashion.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--<br clear="none">Kenneth Finnegan<br clear="none"><a href="http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt4648434952" id="yqtfd30805"><br clear="none">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:04 AM, <<a href="mailto:la3qma@aprs.la" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:la3qma@aprs.la">la3qma@aprs.la</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Quoting "Kenneth Finnegan" <<a href="mailto:kennethfinnegan2007@gmail.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kennethfinnegan2007@gmail.com">kennethfinnegan2007@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> What we're discussing here is trying to use the APRS-IS to analyze the<br clear="none">>> RF performance of a single digipeater.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The APRS-IS was not designed to give any insight into local RF<br clear="none">>> performance. I'm not going to support any hacks on aprx to try and<br clear="none">>> work around that fact.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> If you want to perform RF analysis, you need to publish your raw RF<br clear="none">>> logs. For an example, see the Baldi digipeater page here:<br clear="none">>> <a href="http://baldi-aprs.kd7lxl.hamwan.net/" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://baldi-aprs.kd7lxl.hamwan.net/</a><br clear="none">>> --<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> You have probably a similar discussion...<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> For a SGATE we are not discussing RF performance analyzis etc but the<br clear="none">> possibility for users to use i.e ISS to post a position via RF trough<br clear="none">> "space".<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Using APRX as an IGATE is now posting "false positions" for a user as it<br clear="none">> insert them even if it was not digipeated by ISS.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> This is misleading as users then seems to have been using a satellite but<br clear="none">> the real story is that the local igate just inserted it.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> So for regular terrestrial APRS use i agree that this is not something APRX<br clear="none">> should do differently. But for satellites it's a bit different as "direct"<br clear="none">> positions are a false position and has gone directly to an IGATE and not via<br clear="none">> "space".<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Kai Gunter<br clear="none">> LA3QMA<br clear="none">><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">aprssig mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://www.tapr.org/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>