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--></style></head><body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m 12 hours from a balloon launch and I opened my box of tiny GPS receivers we have had from Argent Data and the bag has no docs! I go to the Argent data web site, and the GPS is not shown!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Does anyone know the pin out of these tiny receivers? (I assume they came from Argent Data since that is the box they are in).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">They are tiny, about ¾” square and say WIESON on them. They come with a pigtail of black, red, blue white, blue yellow. But I can find nothing about where is 5V and NMEA out?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bob</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Scott Miller [mailto:<a href="mailto:scott@argentdata.com">scott@argentdata.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ed Lecuyer; Anthony Mascola<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:wb2osz@comcast.net">wb2osz@comcast.net</a>; <a href="mailto:support@argentdata.com">support@argentdata.com</a>; <a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu">bruninga@usna.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: List of popular consumer transceivers that CANNOT interact due to interoperability problem demonstrating market niche for Comms Hub / tactical mapping program</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Tracker3 already has an option to put out the NMEA strings for TNP for everything it decodes off the air. I haven't touched it in a long time and I haven't really had any feedback from users on it, so I'm not sure how widely it might be used.<br><br>If someone comes up with a working reference implementation for a Rino receiver I'd be happy to look into integrating that, when time allows.<br><br>Scott<br><br>On 6/10/2014 8:39 AM, Ed Lecuyer wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Anthony (and all)<br><br>We have no immediate plans to extend TNP in such a manner. Moreover, it is doubtful that anyone would be able to secure the permissions and protocols from all of these competing manufacturers to produce a single product that would communicate universally.'<br>'<br>That said, if someone were to produce such a product and have it spout out NMEA strings in the format we have documented, then TNP could be used as a display engine. To pull this off, someone (independent of all of the major mapping apps, etc.) might be able to secure the permissions and protocols needed.<br><br>If someone is willing to take on such a project, I will be happy to supply a copy of TNP once they are reaching the stage of needing a rendering engine. Until then, we are not interested in attempting to develop such an application.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ed Lecuyer<br>Product Manager, Terrain Navigator Pro<br><a href="mailto:tnp@mytopo.com">tnp@mytopo.com</a><br><br>MyTopo<br>A TRIMBLE COMPANY<br>phone: 877.587.9004 x107<br>fax: 866.207.0626<br><br>PS: If I provided a prompt, courteous, and useful response, please click on the "thanks" link, below. I appreciate your feedback. </p></div><p class="padding-top" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:24.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><img border="0" width="16" height="16" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D06BEB.6FCDF6C0" alt="Image removed by sender."></span><span class="gray5"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#999999">Helpful?</span></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt"> <a href="http://tnp.uservoice.com/kudos?email_login_token=71e4f856f9ea2f730496c85c7fc25d3f&kudo=pvTqxWKY6unIOMJYTIXiM57a%252FIpXWIGCQRtG6sJk5HaLXaqJVWfTKyKhrHiVwGvZexAXKsuSyMhVomMPASJCaA%253D%253D&tracking_code=64cc8e038d6f791ad09cb5a99ea56596"><span style="color:#4b60b2">Click to give Ed Lecuyer thanks!</span></a> </span></p><p class="padding-top" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">On Jun 10, 2014 at 8:36 AM Anthony Mascola <<a href="mailto:anthony.mascola@gmail.com"><span style="color:#4b60b2">anthony.mascola@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote: </p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Below is a list of VERY popular consumer products which track the operator's <br>position and can send and receive position and other information and display <br>this on a moving map tactical display. The problem of interoperability <br>however creates a situation where these devices currently CANNOT hear or be <br>heard by others without the proprietary format and there is no way to merge <br>all this data on a single tactical display. What results is a very <br>fragmented system that loses tremendous potential for coordinating <br>operations. We desperately need a very high quality universal mapping and <br>communications hub program with up to date urban maps, USGS topo and Marine <br>charts where transceivers on each of the frequencies can be connected to a <br>single computer with a single tactical display. The incident command center <br>can have a properly licensed operator at the computer and hardware that is <br>FCC approved for transmitting on that frequency which can be activated. <br>This person can ID the field operators, see the location of the field <br>operators at all times on the map and have multiple ways to communicate with <br>that person from from flashing a signal mirror along a bearing to a target, <br>sending a person on foot to a specific location, calling, emailing or <br>texting their mobile phone, calling them on their UHF or VHF HT or sending a <br>satellite text message or placing a satellite phone call to that person. <br>There is a market for a company which will take the lead and develop <br>something that can understand and speak with the common formats below and <br>display location and messaging data in a single integrated place. This <br>needs to be affordable and easy to use. It should be scalable and usable <br>for cub scouts all the way up to multi-agency search. Position data can be <br>translated by this hub and sent as waypoints to all of the different radio <br>services and not violate any FCC rules that way each field operator can see <br>the others in the field as updated waypoints and at least know the positions <br>of the team at all times. Other freq data could be attached to the position <br>packet so the person could go direct with whatever common RF they have. <br>Please consider this request as there is nothing on the market currently <br>which solves the interoperability problem. </p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">AM</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Mobile Phone</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Any modern GPS enabled mobile phone, iPhone, Android, Windows etc..</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Satellite</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">DeLorme InReach: <a href="http://www.inreachdelorme.com/"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://www.inreachdelorme.com/</span></a> </p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">SPOT: <a href="http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=217"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=217</span></a> <br><<a href="http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=217&gclid=CILnhtC8774CFfHm7Aod_E"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=217&gclid=CILnhtC8774CFfHm7Aod_E</span></a> <br>oAvA> &gclid=CILnhtC8774CFfHm7Aod_EoAvA </p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">VHF/UHF handheld transceivers</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Amateur Band</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Any APRS or DPRS Handheld Transceiver</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Examples: Kenwood THd72A, TMd710GA, Yaesu several models, ICOM several <br>models just google manufacturer and put APRS or DPRS in search field</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Private Land Mobile Radio Service</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Motorola <br><a href="http://www.motorolasolutions.com/US-EN/Business+Product+and+Services/Two-way"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://www.motorolasolutions.com/US-EN/Business+Product+and+Services/Two-way</span></a> <br>+Radios/Project-25-P25-Radios/Portable+Radios/APX_7000XE </p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Many others</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">GMRS Band</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Garmin Rino <a href="http://sites.garmin.com/rino/"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://sites.garmin.com/rino/</span></a> </p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">MURS Band</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Garmin Astro <a href="http://sites.garmin.com/astro/"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://sites.garmin.com/astro/</span></a> </p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Marine Band</p><p class="textilish" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Standard Horizon HX851: <br><a href="http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts</span></a> <br><<a href="http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=85"><span style="color:#4b60b2">http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=85</span></a> <br>&ProdID=1558&DivisionID=3> &ProdCatID=85&ProdID=1558&DivisionID=3</p></div></blockquote><p class="padding-top" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:24.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#999999"><a href="http://www.uservoice.com/powered-by?utm_campaign=poweredby&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ticket&uv_company=MyTopo+-+Terrain+Navigator&uv_contact_url=tnp.uservoice.com&uv_experience=email"><span style="color:#ff8800">Powered by UserVoice.</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><img border="0" width="1" height="1" id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D06BEB.6FCDF6C0" alt="Image removed by sender."></span></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></body></html>