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--></style></head><body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Knee Jerk Opinion:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My opinion is that there is only one xxxxx named object (station) in the system and it is replaced with the latest heard always. The permanence of 111111z does not mean “permanence” as in not replaceable, but as in, it can remain in the system as long as needed until replaced by anything else of the same name.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">2nd opinion:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But then I read my own writing in the second sentence and see that I disagree with myself. Not sure why I opined as such in the original document. Seems reasonable to me that anyone should be able to update a same named 1111111 object in keeping with the intent of APRS to allow anyone to provide new relevant data. If others agree, I will REMOVE the second sentence in the below document (though I have a nagging feeling it was put in there after the fact for a specific purpose.).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bob, WB4APR</span></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:APRS@yahoogroups.com">APRS@yahoogroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:APRS@yahoogroups.com">APRS@yahoogroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Wiseman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 30, 2013 10:29 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:APRS@yahoogroups.com">APRS@yahoogroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [APRS] Objects with 111111z timestamps</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br><br><br></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:blue">Hi folks,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:blue"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:blue">I came across this in document <a href="http://www.aprs.org/info/object-perm.txt">http://www.aprs.org/info/object-perm.txt</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:navy"> </span></p>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">“OBJECTS: use the unique 111111z timestamp to indicate permanence</span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"> </span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">The 111111z time stamp has always been recommended for all timeless </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">objects as a default to indicate to the viewer that this object time </span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">stamp carries no temporal value. Therefore, it was a reasonable </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">extension of this concept to declare that a 111111z object is permanent </span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">and should not be overwritten by any other identically named object </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">UNLESS it is originated by the same transmitting station.”</span></pre><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:navy"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:blue">Although it does not explicitly state this, I read this as meaning if I receive an object with the same name as an existing one, with a 111111z timestamp but reported by a different station, I should keep both, and display them both</span><span lang="EN-GB">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:blue">Is this a correct interpretation, and how to other software writers handle this?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">73, </span></p>
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