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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Or are you proposing they come from the
      definition, not over-the-air?  If so (in the defintion), then why
      constrain to 4 options (2 bit).  Go with 9.<br>
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      Upper Left, Top Center, Upper Right<br>
      Left Center Right<br>
      Bottom Left, Bottom Center, Bottom Right<br>
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      And another indicator to say "Overlay" (inside the symbol image)
      or "Outside" (IOMCO*)<br>
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      Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
      Win32<br>
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      *IOMCO - Intuitively Obvious to the Most Casual Observer<br>
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      On 10/8/2013 10:06 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">And where do these two bits come
        from?<br>
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        Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
        Win32<br>
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        On 10/8/2013 8:23 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:<br>
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              thing to consider is Overlay characters.</span></p>
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              in APRSdos the overlay characters were drawn over the
              symbol itself and those symbols were drawn to have a clear
              spot in the center.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Then

              in the Kenwoods, we suggested placing the overlay
              character in the upper left corner so that they could
              appear over any/all symbols.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In

              any new system I suggest 2 bits be allocated to indicate
              where the overlay character is drawn.  Upper left, Upper
              right, center, or none.  “None” can be used when a client
              that has defined a separate symbol for a given overlay
              combo because it does not then also need to draw the
              overlay character.  Though if there is room, it would help
              human understanding across platforms if the overlay
              character was also obvious on the new special symbol.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bob,

              WB4APR</span></p>
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