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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoListParagraph" style><span style="font-family:Wingdings"><span style>Ø<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span>Therefore I would suggest that the repeater object have a path of WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-1</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Very respectfully, <grin> NO NO and no…!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This FREQ object belongs *<b>to</b>*the*digi not to the repeater it is advertising.. The digi’s job is to serve the users in *<b>its</b>* vicinity (and not generate QRM to the channel *<b>nor</b>* to adjacent areas. Therefore, this LOCALINFO concept has been uniquely designed to be </span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span style>1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sourced at the digi to serve only the DIGI’s users and DIGI’s area</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span style>2)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sourced at the digi to eliminate any WIDEn-n digipeating (added load on the network)</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span style>3)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sourced at the digi so as to not collide with any*other user packets</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span style>4)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sourced at the digi 10 minutes direct so visitors get the important info quickly but at no cost (Load).</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span style>5)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sourced DIRECT so that users do NOT see recommended voice repeaters that they CANNOT USE when they receive it because it is coming in from some distance away (hence direct from the digi, only in the area where immediately relevant).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Doing anthing else, (Souircing at a home station), Sourcing with any digipeat hops other than DIRECT violates all 5 concepts.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There is nothing more frustrating than to receive a packet poping up on my display showing 146.94 MHz and then getting excited that I might be able to dig up a local contact, only to find that I cannot hit it and have wasted my time and endangered myself for tuning the radio when the FREQ object is coming in from 100 miles away from some digi or home station that does not understand this concept.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I see far too many of these “ego objects” and it is very frustrating. Almost to the point that in some areas, I don’t bother tuning to the repeater because more often than not it is SPAM coming in from too far away. Its like someone always crying WOLF so much that we get desentized to hearing it and the whole advantage of the LOCALINFO system is undermined by turning it into too muchy spam.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yes, one may chose to add this huge burden and out-of-area-and-of-no-value info on their very remote network in an area because it is desolate and with hardly any traffic, but please understand that that is a local choice and goes against the concept in any area where reliability and throughput of users is of a concern.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hope that helps.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bob, WB4APR</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">
<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony VE6MVP<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> TAPR APRS Mailing List<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:aprs@yahoogroups.com">aprs@yahoogroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] [APRS] Announcement of WA1PLE-15 digipeater in SW Boston Area</span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">At 11:17 AM 2013-09-24, Robert Bruninga wrote:<br><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the question. That is the fun part!<br> <br>The Repeater Object you want to “advertise” is the one that you would recommend to a traveler entering the area and just wanting to TALK to people in the area. These days, with PL, it is nearly impossible for a traveler to play radio while mobile in a new area without knowing this critical info. So it is your call. If you were entering the *<b>coverage area of this digi</b>* what repeater would you have the best chance of finding someone. That is the one to advertise.<br>
<br>Fortunately, in a KPC-3, you actually have room for 3 such frequency objects if needed. They TX simplex direct once every 10 minutes (and only when the channel as heard by the digi is clear). Hence great info, in real-time, but at no cost to the load on the channel.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>As a traveller who seldom has a passenger I very much like the concept of repeater objects and we've introducing them around here in Alberta. And yes in parts of Alberta amateurs have gone a bit overboard in creating dozens of repeater objects which are being transmitted from their home igates but I digress. <smile><br>
<br>However I disagree with one portion of your statement. The "direct' part. The digi network out my area of rural Alberta is just awesome. It is a relatively quiet network with little mobile traffic and very little overlap between the sites. My subjective observations while mobile are that the coverage of a digi for the mobile station to receive packets is substantially less than the coverage of the FM repeater when on the same antenna. Voice coverage might be 60 or 70 kms while receiving the packet might only work out about 30 kms.<br>
<br>Given a ten minute object transmit time the traveller could be in range of the voice repeater for up to half an hour before the traveller knows it exists.<br><br>Therefore I would suggest that the repeater object have a path of WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-1 so the adjacent digipeaters see the packet and display it on your device as you pass near those digipeaters. So now you the amateur radio operator can make the decision if you are close enough to the voice repeater and tune to the frequency.<br>
<br>Tony</p></div></body></html>