<div dir="ltr"><div><div>STEVE - Wrong Bob. You're refeerring to Bob Bruninga, WB4APR I'm referring to (and was replying to) Bob Burns, W9BU. Unless Bob has changed name & call, they're NOT & the same :-) *LOL!*<br>
<br></div>That out of the way, yes there are interoperability issues between APRS & D-STAR **BUT** it's not like they are projects underway to address them. <br><br>In the meantime, I think Steve hit the nail on the head more accurately. Right now, it is an Apples & Oranges comparison HOWEVER I think as radios like the D-51A become more and more commonly available & used, the demand to integrate APRS & D-STAR together via DPRS will only increase. It's just the natural progression of things :-) Until then, there'll only be limited functionality between the two (Messaging & such which APRSDroid is already capable of)<br>
<br></div>Cheers & 73 :-)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Amateur Radio WB8NUT <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:duffy@wb8nut.com" target="_blank">duffy@wb8nut.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">As I understand it as a
user of both DStar and APRS, DPRS is simply a gateway of the position
information from a DStar radio to the APRS network. DPRS is NOT APRS. <br>
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DPRS does not support APRS messaging and you cannot at this time at
least, take information from APRS back into the DStar network. In fact, I
am not sure you would want to do that anyway.<br>
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DPRS does what it is supposed to do and it works fine for what it is,
but DPRS is clearly not APRS. Apples and oranges comparison.<br>
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Duffy<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div>Actually, you are
dead wrong here. APRS is a registered trademark owned by Bob. If he says
something isn't APRS, then it isn't APRS. Period.<br><br>It isn't just
semantics and legalese. Bob has been very generous with allowing people
to use the trademark, however he does require some interoperability.
DStar's implementation does not have that interoperability, and there
should not be called APRS. If DPRS were to become fully interoperable
with APRS they might find themselves in a position to be blessed by Bob,
but make no mistake, if Bob doesn't say it is APRS then it is not APRS.<br><br><br>Steve
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<font color="#9fa2a5"><span style="padding-left:6px">March 27, 2013
4:08 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
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- To say that DPRS isn't APRS simply isn't (At least entirely) true.
D-STAR, like APRS, is also built on RF. The only difference is D-STAR
is DIGITAL RF while APRS is ANALOG RF !! Nevertheless, it's STILL RF
(That's a point that also needs to be reinforced).<br>
<br></div></div><div class="im">Now turning to DPRS - Sounds to me like those who are working
behind the scenes still have yet to find a way to bridge the gap between
the two. As a result, those who aren't "In the know" (MYSELF INCLUDED)
are left giving thoughts & opinions which may not even be REMOTELY
CLOSE to something resembling knowledgeable about how the two interface
& interact with one another<br>
<br></div></div><div class="im">And we wonder why most people don't bother with Ham Radio?
LOOK AT US !!! Most people who aren't the least bit interested in Ham
Radio wouldn't even mess with a mode of communications like this<br>
<br></div></div><div class="im">Getting off the soapbox, I think I'm gonna have to seek input
from those within the D-STAR community as well since they have D-STAR
radios. I say this because the vast majority of people here (Or at
least SOME people here as I said before) DO NOT even own a D-STAR radio
(Some probably don't even consider to be "Real" radio, even though
that's a myth). As such, they're offering so-called "Expert"
information on a radio using technology THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT !!!
That (As I also said before) isn't very useful<br>
<br></div></div><div class="im">It'll likely be more ACCURATE too<br><div><br>Again, NOT
trying to bite the hands feeding me BUT there's nothing useful about
someone posting information on something when they (Likely) know NEXT TO
NOTHING about that something. Not very productive or useful. Again
just saying.....<br>
<br></div><div>Cheers & 73 :-)<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br><br clear="all"><br><div class="im">-- <br>Pat Cook,
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3:38 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr"><div>Well I got
the external TNC so that's no problem. However if the local D-STAR
repeater has software that allows for APRS-like packets to be sent via
D-PRS, then TXing those packets shouldn't be a problem IF it's installed
properly by the trustee of the repeater, control operator and/or the
technical crew so therefore, I fail to see how "Kerchunking" the
repeater would somehow be frowned upon since it wouldn't be detectable
anyway & would be well within the norm<br>
<br></div><div>Let's seperate the wheat from the chaffe a bit here.....<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sounds
like *Some* people on here don't know much about D-STAR & how it
operates & probably need to learn (Others OTOH on here DO). Not
knocking anybody or biting the hands feeding me BUT if you're NOT
informed or educated on D-STAR & how D-STAR radios operate &
integrate with APRS, PLEASE move on. You're not helping things any.
I'm not educated much on either BUT am interested in learning before
buying my next radio. Just saying...... :-)<br>
<br></div><div>Cheers & 73 :-)<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br><br clear="all"><br><div class="im">-- <br>Pat Cook,
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