<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Bob - To say that DPRS isn't APRS simply isn't (At least entirely) true. D-STAR, like APRS, is also built on RF. The only difference is D-STAR is DIGITAL RF while APRS is ANALOG RF !! Nevertheless, it's STILL RF (That's a point that also needs to be reinforced).<br>
<br></div>Now turning to DPRS - Sounds to me like those who are working behind the scenes still have yet to find a way to bridge the gap between the two. As a result, those who aren't "In the know" (MYSELF INCLUDED) are left giving thoughts & opinions which may not even be REMOTELY CLOSE to something resembling knowledgeable about how the two interface & interact with one another<br>
<br></div>And we wonder why most people don't bother with Ham Radio? LOOK AT US !!! Most people who aren't the least bit interested in Ham Radio wouldn't even mess with a mode of communications like this<br>
<br></div>Getting off the soapbox, I think I'm gonna have to seek input from those within the D-STAR community as well since they have D-STAR radios. I say this because the vast majority of people here (Or at least SOME people here as I said before) DO NOT even own a D-STAR radio (Some probably don't even consider to be "Real" radio, even though that's a myth). As such, they're offering so-called "Expert" information on a radio using technology THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT !!! That (As I also said before) isn't very useful<br>
<br></div>It'll likely be more ACCURATE too<br><div><br>Again, NOT trying to bite the hands feeding me BUT there's nothing useful about someone posting information on something when they (Likely) know NEXT TO NOTHING about that something. Not very productive or useful. Again just saying.....<br>
<br></div><div>Cheers & 73 :-)<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Pat Cook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kb0oxd@gmail.com" target="_blank">kb0oxd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Well I got the external TNC so that's no problem. However if the local D-STAR repeater has software that allows for APRS-like packets to be sent via D-PRS, then TXing those packets shouldn't be a problem IF it's installed properly by the trustee of the repeater, control operator and/or the technical crew so therefore, I fail to see how "Kerchunking" the repeater would somehow be frowned upon since it wouldn't be detectable anyway & would be well within the norm<br>
<br></div><div>Let's seperate the wheat from the chaffe a bit here.....<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sounds like *Some* people on here don't know much about D-STAR & how it operates & probably need to learn (Others OTOH on here DO). Not knocking anybody or biting the hands feeding me BUT if you're NOT informed or educated on D-STAR & how D-STAR radios operate & integrate with APRS, PLEASE move on. You're not helping things any. I'm not educated much on either BUT am interested in learning before buying my next radio. Just saying...... :-)<br>
<br></div><div>Cheers & 73 :-)<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Bob Burns W9BU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:w9bu_lists@rlburns.net" target="_blank">w9bu_lists@rlburns.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Kent Hufford <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:khufford@atlanticbb.net" target="_blank">khufford@atlanticbb.net</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">You will NOT see the 144.39mhz analog APRS station on your DSTAR radio, nor will an analog APRS FM radio see the DSTAR station.</span></p>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This is an important point that really needs to be reinforced.</div><div><br></div><div>I hear of many hams "getting into APRS" using APRS-IS client applications on smartphones, tablets, laptops, etc. I also hear of D-Star users talk about seeing their positions on APRS-IS client applications. Both methods work great...as long as everyone has an Internet connection.</div>
<div><br></div><div>APRS was built on an RF-based network in which everyone in a local area could decode other APRS users' beacons and, in more advanced applications, see those positions on a map. No Internet access required. The APRS-IS server network came along later and provided an additional means of seeing APRS data that originated on the RF network. Now, we have APRS users who only use the Internet and never send an APRS beacon on RF. Since most I-gates don't, and shouldn't, reverse gate this Internet-sourced APRS data back to RF, the RF users never see what's happening on the Internet side of the servers.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm not knocking D-Star. But, D-Star users have to understand that DPRS is not APRS.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Bob...</div></font></span></div></div></div>
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