HF penetrates wet rock? Cool. Now if we can figure out a way to correlate multiple HF signals, maybe build a poor-man's underground-capable GPS? Sort of like what SSTV is to NTSC...<br><br>Ok, crazy thought. But so far the only location information you're going to get is either a manually entered coordinate, or a guess based on your path to the exit node.<br>
<br>Greg KO6TH<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Robert Bruninga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu" target="_blank">bruninga@usna.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
HF VERTICAL LINKS: I just realized that since HF penetrates a few<br>
hundred feet vertically, we can use HF to link up to the surface every<br>
7 hops or so. Just an FT-817 with a DIPOLE above and below ground<br>
hooked to a TNC can provide the link Once above ground, then hops<br>
continue on VHF.<br>
<br>
Each vertical link takes up 2 hops, but it sure beats having to do 14.<br>
We need some people experimenting with HF packet FM (with squelch) on<br>
80m (below ground since it would not be legal above ground)... I<br>
gotta do some research on HF links...<br>
<br>
Also this gets more hams involved. SOme hams not prone to caving, can<br>
man the top side stations. One of the HF links will be right in the<br>
Lobby of the hotel and since it has WIFI, then that can be our IGATE!<br>
<br>
> With this map, there's no easy way to separate the above-ground<br>
> elevation contours from the cave tunnels.<br>
<br>
Not sure I follow. The tunnels are dark black. Everything else is<br>
color. Its too early to start a huge investmnt in manually crossing<br>
over the data to a vector file until I find out "which" path is the<br>
MAIN CAVE. The big portions are easy, but there are many places where<br>
there are multiple thin lines.<br>
<br>
> Also, is this just the first level of the cave, or is it<br>
> several vertical levels drawn together?<br>
<br>
all 6 levels. So crossing black lines do not necessarily mean a connection.<br>
<br>
Bob, WB4APR<br>
<br>
> Andrew Pavlin, KA2DDO<br>
> ------Original Message------<br>
> From: Robert Bruninga<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:APRS@yahoogroups.com">APRS@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br>
> Sent: Nov 19, 2012 4:58 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] [APRS] APRS in caves! (mammoth map)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Mammoth cave underlay on local terrain map is now complete. The map has a<br>
> LAT/LONG grid on the sides so one can pinpoint one's position into the HT<br>
> underground to the same 0.01 Minute of LAT/LONG as on the surface.<br>
><br>
> See <a href="http://aprs.org/cave-link.html" target="_blank">http://aprs.org/cave-link.html</a><br>
><br>
> So far, none of the modern clients seem to do GIF or JPG files. But as we<br>
> get closer to the 2 March 2013 test, maybe someone can develop a vector<br>
> overlay for the main passage. Can YACC or APRSIS32 do APRS Overlays?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Bob, WB4APR<br>
><br>
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